UPDATE: This thread is now closed. Please continue the discussion here: Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion II
This post is now the place to comment on the JWH-018 Toxicology article.
Not that there are any points, but bonus points for backing up what you say with peer reviewed research. Please keep the discussion scientific. You can talk about dodgy vendors if you must, especially if there’s a bad batch going round, but please don’t link to them or turn this into a customer support thread. If you want to talk about individual smoking mixtures, please do so Here.
Ok, go:
Alas, my fellow bloggers are sad, thinking about doom and destruction. Obviously aren’t on the right drugs.
Mello, the key to making the solution with the least amount of effort is heat. My eyesight isn’t good enough to see five or six grains (impurities or contaminants), but if you prepare the solution using the double boiler, it dissolves and stays dissolved when the water comes to a boil. If you need more details, happy to supply them.
Thank you for mentioning my old friend, the teaspoon, and giving me the metric equivalent. It’s not that I can’t do math, mind you, it’s that I’d rather be cleaning the refrigerator…
Ill try heating next method, but its those little black grains that swirl toward the middle after u stop stirring. If u hold the jar up to the light u can see them on the bottom. I dont think it is a big deal. Also, for storing my mixtures, i use those starbucks glass frappuccino bottles u can buy at any store. 405ml each. They work well if you dont have any other bottles laying around.
Black grains? That may not be JWH. May just be some debris.…or black pepper. Try letting your small frappa bottle of JWH liquid sit in a pan or pyrex pitcher of warm water for an hour or so and see if those grains give way. Modest heat should do the trick, no need to hit full boil.
2:1 (073÷018) report, second time around:
Like being kicked in the head by a drug mule, but this time I was prepared for it. Same amount as last week (3 mL).
Whereas 1:1 produces an upbeat initial stage that transitions to a more sedate back half, 2:1 skips the productive period and just whacks the brain with a mallet. Ingestion is followed by tell-tale fuzziness in less than 15 minutes. At 30 minutes, down for the count. Couch-lock for somewhere around 4 hours. A very good time, but utterly narcotic. Opium-like, with heavy, sometimes oppressively sensual CEVs. Moments of extraordinary pleasure in the mind, astonishing physical pleasure in the actual brain itself, so distinctly localized that I feel I could put my finger on the exact spot inside the brain that is so powerfully lit up. It is as if the core of the brain is glowing, spinning, dripping and spraying droplets of honey. A simple trip to the restroom is a tedious chore. As is pouring a beverage. As is anything else requiring sustained physical coördination of more than say 5 seconds. Time means nothing. One moment it is 8:15.…and then it is midnight. What happened? Pwnt by JWH. Planned ahead for the doomsday munchdown. No baked goods in the house. Except 1 piece of cake. Almost a full bag of chips, and the piece of cake, whooosh, gone.
2:1 has its place, but in my freezer it will probably be a much smaller auxiliary stock next to the primary 1:1 collection. The dense, body-centric coma-stone it produces will likely serve well following periods of intense physical activity as a palliative for soreness, tenderness, or any general discomfort. The pleasure sensations in the mind are remembered the next day as almost too much, something to be left alone for awhile, to be rediscovered much later down the road. This should not be a regular thing. The regular thing should be a notch or two back on the dial.
X1– thank you for all your insightful posts. I guess I must break down and make some 1:1. So then at 2:1 with your 3 ml you imbibed 5 mg 018 and 2.5 mg 073.
That sounds like too much for me. A wild ride which I have achieved many times herbally. I took a small hit tonite and blew it our after 1 – 2 seconds. It did seem to help as I have only gotten halfway skronked which leaves my senses and coördination.
I wish we could have a sychronium get together…Now that would be fun. LOL.
A nice Kahlua and milk just cemented a nice smile on my face.
It sure sounds like different mixes can really cause a schism between the 2 RC’s.
Newbies may well advised to hold in JWH hits of only a couple seconds, as compared to other herbs and such.
I’ve usually told people to hold it in untill they start to feel it coming on, when using my home blends, and, after they let it out NOT to take another one for a good while.
Holding a hit 3x longer than that — which may only take 10 seconds or so — may cause Newbies to get 3X more zapped the first time around. Taking TWO hits, two BIG hits in a short period of time REALLY multiplies the ThumpFactor in the ol’ Tickeroo, and isn’t generally very enjoyable.
I’ve still to try making any Everclear exlixerated JWH-juice, but will be giving it some thought. Problem is, sort of, I really don’t care for alcohol — especially rocket fuel like Everclear. What to do?
Jay said:
X1: Damn you and your outstanding results. You’ve got me seriously concerned about my –73 stock and its proven lack luster performance in both solo doses and in ratios. You’re saying 2ml (5mg) of –73 and 1ml (2.5) of –18 gave you that ride. As for me, 3ml (7.5mg) of –73 solo doesn’t provide anything remarkable. Something is amiss. I’m sending an E-mail to our sister “SAC” to see if they’ve had reports of weak –73 encounters from that batch. It’s a shot in the dark.
My testing this Sunday went well and I think I’ve got something noteworthy in terms of tolerance. For me, there was marked improvement in high (using same dosing volume) after about five days of total abstinence. According to Redwood they can detect JWH in your system for 72 hours post-dose. I’m starting to think there is a correlation between that benchmark and a tangible fade in tolerance.
My previous post of an excerpt from a Rolling Stones song struck me as poetic during this remarkable high. Unfortunately time didn’t permit an Everclear dose, as I didn’t have the entire day to dispose of and I had to stick with an herbal bong hit. So a higher Everclear dose will be tested, possibly, next Sunday.
D3: Reverse ratio for X1’s dose. It’s two parts –73 and one part –18.
Tim: Don’t shy away from Everclear as your intake volume is very low. We’re talking 3 to 5ml — such as a tablespoon in volume each dose. When mixed with two cups of juice it’s undetectable. It’s the only substrate, not factoring some oils, that is designed for human consumption.
Awaiting product! Can I create a 1 – 2 hitter with 2g. 018, 1 g. 073 with 28 g. Damiana!
Tim, I am a reformed alcoholic and the everclear is like a tsp. or 2. Put it in whatever you are drinking and you should not even taste it. Only problem, JWH is legal at age 18, Evercleer is not legal until 21 if underage and caught with a mason jar in the car! Would only be a concern for those between age of 18 and 21.
I had the same concern about Everclear, Tim, but it’s really not noticeable. Thanks, X1, for the report. Mello, the little black grains probably aren’t going to dissolve, cause they’re not supposed to be there? A little contamination shouldn’t have any effect. I live peaceably side-by-side with a little contamination — my Moonshine Mix may be the only concoction in the house without dog hair in it…
It sounds like X1 had the experience Overwatch’s friend Jay is looking for.…
My supplier recently started carrying a new rc called RCS-8. Runs the same price as the 018. Any news on this one? Haven’t ordered twice as my first gram is still lasting.
Thanks for the replies, all, and thankfully… I’ve never had a “problem” with alcohol in the sense that it’s been a substance of abuse — but as I’ve gotten older (56), it seems like alcohol just makes me zonk-assed SLEEPY!!
Sometimes this is OK, but one thing I’ve learned, for myself, anyhow, is NOT to mix different drugs/psychoactive substances as a general rule. This would include like beer and pot, mushrooms and Valiums, etc etc etc. Trust me — I’ve TRIED… but in the long run just decided it worked best for me to do things one at a time.
I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the compound RCS-8, i cant find any information on this chemical anywhere.
I’m 55, Tim, and I was blaming the drugs for turning me into a snoring lump.
What if it’s just age (shudder, gasp)?
Party while you’re young, young people, before your idea of a fun time becomes an afternoon snooze.…
Ratgirl, I am 51 years young. LMAO! Now we got a 50+ club in the Schnch.! Cool! You mentioned rose petals, you may want to try Blue Lotus as well. It is a flower with natural euphoria effects. I did this one day, reading about Damiana’s effects. Vaporized it with no additives and it worked, very mild mellow feeling is all, no wander the Mexicans used it. They made it in tea to intensify effects.
OK, now we got to find something to get you off the couch? Overwatch, I tried private messaging you and found out there was not anything private about it. Moderator and I got into it!
X1 How much Evercleer in your 2:1 ratio where you did 3 ml and got kicked by mule. I like mule kicks! 2g. 18 1g.73 and how much Evercleer should be added for a mule kick! LMAO!
Bama, I would have to grow it. That’s the fun part, raising one’s one smoking flowers on the balcony. Very good for the feminine libido.
We have semi-private messaging? Surely (not that I’m calling anyone Shirley) we are mature enough to behave ourselves? I’m always grateful for Moderators on the watch for our safety. There’s no stripes on the cyberspace highway to keep people in line.
Bama420: The Egyptians used blue lotus, and it does nothing when smoked. You’d need several grams for any effect, which is why it’s usually soaked in wine or made into a tea.
One of my first posts on here was about blue lotus: Egyptian Ecstasy – Blue Lotus
Oh, and no way to message each other, I’m afraid. Perhaps I should set up some kind of forum where that’s possible…
Synch.… A messaging system or a chat option would be great. I think it would be nice way to build fellowship among posters and a great way to trade information without the world to see.
Bama.. Thanks for trying. Eventually we’ll work something out. If you feel OK with it, post your Dxxx-Forum id and I’ll take care of the rest.
Yes, and Ratgirl I simply posted my phone number for Overwatch and told him who I was. That was the violation. Do not think Shirley should have been brought up!
This was at another forum, not this one!
Anyone tried vaporizing with e-cigs!
Bama.… I’ve read about it on another site but haven’t tried it. It does seem like a viable option if it works. People speak positive of the “Volcano Vape” despite it’s large price tag. Would certainly save your lungs, to some small degree, taking the plant life out of the equation.
e cigs are great. I haven’t has a cig in months!
Overwatch,
I am very interested in this 2C-E you mentioned earlier…I would love to hear what else you have learned about this substance! Any luck locating a vendor in the US…and if so any chance you could drop me some tips on locating one?
Thanks!
We’re getting warm feelings of acceptance, camaraderie and trust here! Bama, it’s for our own safety that we’re protected from our own innocent impulses sometimes. Even though in your circumstances you might think, “Well, what harm can it do?” But if it isn’t safe for all of us, maybe it isn’t all that safe.
Dunno what e cigs are. Or 2C-E. But I did find lecithin as mentioned above for a sublingual delivery system in a health food store, pre-capsuled, $28.50 for a hundred. I said, “No.” It was easy. I was hoping for bulk herbs, but everything in this store was pre-packaged.
Mountain Industry sent me an email offering a special deal on 018 by the 100g. So they think they’re in business and at a wholesale level.
Today I took nothing liquid but am trying 1 ml of the everclear solution I made from my original sample. I have absolutely no way to tell how much active ingredients went into the moonshine.
I had some Magic Petals starting about four hours ago, and am looking forward to finding out where I’ll be in an hour or so.
The smoking thing is bizarre. Other than active ingredients, why is the act of smoking so addictive? The oral? Something in the fingers? Is my body telling me, “Smoke — it’s the fastest way to get us to Nirvana?”
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RE 2C-E etc types of things, look to China. There seems to be a lot of vendors that take PayPal and will work with small gram purchases.
I personally have never had any problems with Chinese vendors for these kinds of purchases, but it’s been a while.
Hey, Joe. I’ve learned that 2C-B is a milder high, 2C-E is called “The Teacher” and can be harsh. Lastly, they say 2C-I is in between B and E. The ONLY vendor I’ve found has their new member registration closed until further notice. Nothing else.
Overwatch, would this be the overseas vendor you mentioned earlier? Is there any risk in ordering something like this overseas? I’m worried about what might happen with customs…although I guess since registration is closed for the time being it doesn’t really matter anyway. Either way I am very intrigued by this RC and would love to get my hands on some…it sounds exactly like what I am truly after. While 018 is great I find myself seeking the trippier experiences that come with very high doses and ultimately craving more of a true psychedelic experience when its all said and done. I have noticed something interesting with 018 and would love to hear if any other researchers have noticed it. It seems 018 almost makes me black out, even on low doses and I tend to completely forget how intense the experience truly was until the next time I’m “researching.” Its like the morning after thinking back to the experience I don’t remember it as being anything special and don’t really care to repeat it. After some time has passed though I find my attitude gradually changing towards the stuff until the day comes when I decide to try it again and everything comes back to me! Its as if my subconscious is aware of the true experience and is fighting with how my conscious mind remembers it. Setting seems to have a HUGE influence on the experience as well…I recently took what I thought was a tiny dose thinking “well this will make music slightly more enjoyable at the most.” An hour later I find myself alone listening to music and typing on my laptop on the mental trip of my life! I have taken 7X the 018 I took during this experience and could have sworn it was just as intense! Sorry for the slightly off topic rambling post…during said experience I ended up recording 7 single spaced pages of thoughts and felt the need to share some of my findings here
Joe, The first time of day it takes very little for me, once it is in system it seems sometimes to me a waste to try to stay there. I can do like you said, probably easy 5X the amount. Do you get headaches trying to stay at a certain point with18? I suffer from chronic blackouts due to a vertigo issue from numerous heart attacks and I have not had any serious vertigo attacks since I have been researching. Been at it solid for 3 – 4 months.
Jay says:
Yeah, Joe…International purchasing and shipping always sets uneasy with me. However, as X1 mentioned previously, things normally work as planned. Vendors are normally trustworthy especially if they have a web presence. Screwing over buyers would result in a firestorm of negative posts / discussions. The 2C family is currently legal and should be properly forwarded if Customs does their standard inspection. If there is a problem, you should get the standard “love letter” from them informing you of the laws, etc, etc. I have no first hand experience at this — just read alot on the other popular drug forum. I cannot fathom them (law enforcement) being too concerned with 2C stuff compared to people ordering bottles of OxyContin from overseas — which they do. So yeah, I too would like to very lightly experience B, I or E but finding a vendor is apparently tough. Meanwhile search YouTube using “2C-B”, “2C-I” or “2C-E” for some interesting trip videos. Mostly knuckleheads.
Your experiences do closely mirror some of mine. Almost like a time travel experience that you can’t fully remember. You know it was good but it’s hard to quantify or detail. A JWH 18⁄73 high is so, uh, “steerable”. I prefer mine to be the high energy, trippy, trance ride verses the sleepy, dizzy, drone, couch-lock. I now understand the appeal in so, so many different things, especially music. (ie. Goa — Psychedelic Trance music, Playstation III w/ Guitar Hero, etc) But more appealing is the ability for someone to mentally relive memorable moments in their life. Close your eyes, focus and with the right dose — your there. So vividly that it feels you’re physically reliving it. For random example, a person could relive his first day/night carrier landing qualifications aboard the USS Nimitz in the F-14. Ha! Or any type of sexual conquest, moment of triumph, or memorable moment with a past loved one, just to name a few. JWH is a great tool for those who don’t mind occasionally looking back in life.
Bam… The more I think about it, that’s odd that a D-F mod said something to you. Did you try to send me a message via the “Private Message” link near where you log in? If you made a public post with that info, like we do in here, I could see them saying something.
Hey Overwatch, It was definately a private message to you and they intercepted it. I am easy to get along with, but private is private! Just remember, we are a million miles from yesterday! Can I state my real name on this site without trouble or my e-mail address? Mr. Overwatch, I received new shipment of 73 and soloed it out after your comments and got hammered! I used different supplier! You had mentioned no effect from the 73 compound, Wow, not me. Real heavy body feel that adds to the mule kick that18 does to receptor 1! This research was done after a 3 day break and 73 was lightly sprinkled on top of untreated Damiana and smoked, I think it is the closest I have come to the feeling of illegal herbs. The 18 I just got seems extremely potent compared to the prior supplier, but it is classified or I will get the boot from Moderator.
Bama.… Wow. That’s odd and I wasn’t aware that Mods would read PM’s. Anyway. If you wish to post your E-mail address, I’ll write it down and then E-mail Sync himself to delete the post to limit it’s web exposure. Your call.
Congrats on your –73 experiment. Jay may stray from his normal vendor on the final stock up order.
Overwatch, Hope all is well for you! I got kinda quite for a week or so, went Skydiving for a week in Florida with old Jump Buddies! I pursued the 73 research due to your comments, The way I have been soloing them out is by sprinkling a little 5 – 7 mg dose on top of pure Damiana and of course you have to smoke it. I re-upped for this month already, but I saw a comment somewhere about SR 18, someone had stated that they had a g. of that compound for 2 months and was not out yet! I hear there is an analogue coming for the H 210 that got Spice and some of them in trouble. H 210 is a controlled substance in the USA now. This brings back memories, I remember when they synthetically made THC years ago and it was called Delta 9 for those that remember. It was made illegal in a New York Heart Beat, but it was a designer’s invention. Hey Ratgirl, Shirley stilll loves you. Just remember everyone, you get out of life what you put into it, it has always been that way and always will be that way. Life is not a destination, a simple journey not to be taken too seriously. Cheers, Bama gofastrlbrown@yahoo.com
Hey friends, got a new order in. Going to try 1/2gram 018 to 1/2gram 073! Mixing with around 400ml of Everclear. I also orderd some damania and skullcap leaves, going to try to make my first blend! I was thinking of letting 20 grams of of the material soak in 400ml of everclear, this seem like a good idea? Any tips to make it better? Will report back soon!
Bama.…. Got the address — check your Inbox.
SACRA released SR-18 about a month ago. I recently read a trip report on the stuff which basically said it’s not worth much. Low high, short duration.
I can only hope analogues and other engineered compounds will follow the path JWH has blazed.
Mello, You only need about 100 ml evercleer to break it down to create a spray for a Blend. You are dead on with 20 grams, no more or you will have to smoke too much! I am playing with a 3:1 ratio of 018:073. I keep hearing 73 is weak soloed, wish I had 15 minutes of your time, I’ll change your thoughts on 73. 250 was weak and I bought 5 g. to figure it out. I also had good luck mixing with 18 and 81. 250 is Bonzai Food! LMAO!!
I stumbled across a website that may be of great assistance to those that order their R/C’s from on-line suppliers. Go to:
http://www.safeorscam.com
Once your there, enter the full web address, to include the www and .com, of the vendor. Most have reviews and entries from buyers talking about purity, shipping time, etc, etc. Seems like a pretty simply yet useful site.
Overwatch, I went there and it says you have to have a referral code?
Rat.…That’s odd. I know you have to have Java installed for the site to work — which most likely you do. I just tested it again. Clicked on the link, entered “www._______.com” in the box at the top and it returned several pages of reviews and a rating system of a scale of 1 to 10.
100 ml is all i need if dissolving 1gram? I thought it was 400ml to the gram. But then again i am trying for a a homemade blend so the rules might change. So 100ml to 20grams of herb?
Well, I did it! And i did it pretty damn well. I used Damiana and Skullcap, real cheap c/s w/c by the pound stuff, i used 40 grams to 1gram 73 and 1gram 18. Blend worked up perfectly in a bath method. I soaked them overnight in 200ml. Thanks to bama and everyone else! Im sorry im posting about blends as i know there is a subforum for that but Ive been around this one for a while and also reported on my liquid batch. Once again thanks to everyone. I will report back with a fancier blend mix next time.
Thanks for the flowers Mello! LOL! We are all out trying to do the same thing. Yeah, sounds good! I got some 73 from new source that will kick your butt. I have worked with 18,73,81,200,250, Win FX. I may do the exact thing you just did, I may owe you some things. I got plenty of everything except I was checking in the man cave last nite and I need some herbs. I been sampling different compounds with sprinkling 10 mg doses on top of Damiana untreated and WOW! Oh, everyone that smokes to ingest, you need a blue flame lighter for best results. With a Bic, glass would be sticky and have RC’s on it. With a Turbocharged blue flame jet lighter, it is no longer there. If you ever notice at end of bowl you will here boiling in there yet all herb is gone. Herb burns quicker than RC’s, blue flame fixes that issue!
Alright guys.
When shall I start another thread for this? Does it still load in a reasonable time, or does it take forever now?
It’s instantaneous for me, Dr. Syn. And by the way, does not wanting to twat (as in “t’w*t the f*ck?”) make me uncool?
Thought about my previous post, and realized that I am on drugs so my perception of time is probably completely invalid.
I am embarrassed and should be thoroughly chastised (and probably you guys, too, because you’re all smart people.
I have decided that smoking as a delivery system is a separate addiction to the high. Smoking anything harms the lungs. It’s an effective delivery system but not worth the collateral damage.
I was in the pool yesterday and, although my 55-year-old body cavorted like a mermaid (I swim with scuba fins), my lungs couldn’t keep up.
Wanna bet it was the smoking?
When I got home I threw the pipe in an alcohol bath. I have to keep it — it was something I shared with my late husband and I will put it in the relic box, but smoking is not an option.
Clove cigarettes, tobacco, “herbal incense blend,” rose petals and, oh yeah, cannabis… Vaporizing I haven’t tried, but I have delicate lungs. What’s the point?
I remember the liberation I felt when I first tried the liquid mix, washing the ash trays and putting them away in the furthest depths of the deepest cupboard. Thinking I could bury smoking forever
But there is a difference between one pipe a day at the 10 ml level and smoking bits and pieces of 3 ml over the course of a day. This might as well be an oral experience with a little patience. Trying to maintain a level experience without constant lung irritation, I haven’t figured that out yet.
A box of dark chocolate truffles and a syringe? The lecithin capsule idea?
Today I tried 2 ml of the processed Mountain Industry and it had the effect I anticipated (018). A little hard on an empty stomach, a little challenging to the equilibrium at first, but now evening out. (The Groucho Marx in me says, “I’d like an evening out! I’ll put on my tuxedo!”)
I’m an idiot for following the magic smoke…spank me.
Synch — This blog, and the original toxicity thread should be stored when the search bots can find them because they contain a great mixture of trip reports, methods, doses, experiences, etc. But I agree that 350 is a lot of posts to load, just to read the last 5 – 10.
Great blog, as always.
A good vaporizor can be found pretty cheap on Ebay if you keep your eyes out… and is a LOT easier on those with “delicate” lungs — which would include us all!
One of the big +‘s I see of JWH over POT is that if you ARE going to be smoking it, you can get away with smoking a FRACTION of the amount and get about the same sort of effect… close enough for this Old Head, anyhow.
Jwndy: Don’t worry about search engine visibility. That’s at the back of mind ALL the time. Everything I do, I optimise for search engines as much as possible. The main factor in being seen by search engines is how many links from other sites point to a particular page, and how good those links are — and the JWH-018 Tox page has over 100 links, a lot of which are particularly good. Actually, I think I’m 3rd in google (in the UK anyway) for “JWH-018″.
If any of you would ever like to help me out in this regard, please feel free to link back here on any other blogs or forums you comment on.
I’ll close this thread once it hits around 400 or so comments.
Hey all! Just getting interested in canna-rc’s, as “some guy” recently moved to the east coast / NC area and it’s godawful hard to find a little good herb. I just wanted to mention to ratgirl13 that the multi-time pipe hits throughout the day is so harsh b/c the hot air ruins the SP-A and SP-D proteins in your lungs, which maintain a nice happy environment on the inner mucosal membranes in your lungs. They get oxidized, can’t work, and it takes hours for them to be regenerated and exported… which is about when you’re ready to have another hot hit and burn ‘em out again, so they never have a chance to work. On the other hand, vaporizers (especially the volcano, with its balloon tek) are lower temp enough that they ought not to ruin your lung-protecting proteins.
Seriously, I wish I’d bought a volcano when it was offered to me for $200 by a guy we knew who worked at a head shop in Berkeley… I’m still thinking of coughing up the $400 it might cost when I have the money, it’s well worth it in both lessened bad health effects, and increased efficiency of product uptake.
Bama420, I’d be interested in talking with you to ask you what’s good, I just recently discovered d-f and have signed up as Hindenburger on d-f so send me a PM if you’d like!