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Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion

By John Clarke

Drugs Discussion


UPDATE: This thread is now closed. Please con­tinue the dis­cus­sion here: Syn­thetic Can­nabin­oid Dis­cus­sion II

This post is now the place to comment on the JWH-018 Tox­ic­o­logy article.

Not that there are any points, but bonus points for backing up what you say with peer reviewed research. Please keep the dis­cus­sion sci­entific. You can talk about dodgy vendors if you must, espe­cially if there’s a bad batch going round, but please don’t link to them or turn this into a cus­tomer support thread. If you want to talk about indi­vidual smoking mix­tures, please do so Here.

Ok, go:.

396 Responses to Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion

  1. D3 says:

    Hinden­bur­ger,
    You are right. To admit it hinders healing so you get bron­chitis that doesn’t go away for months.
    It causes some addic­tion for sure also. It’s time to think about it depend­ing on how you use RC’s.
    Herbal blends in a pipe are very harmful. It’s been a year for SWIM and feels like it’s time to break away.
    But enjoy for yourselves your pleas­ures . It’s very enjoy­able so SWIM says.

  2. Synchronium says:

    If anyone can take lots of pics of them making a blend, I’d happily write a “How To” article around it.

  3. lazarus says:

    My Iolite vapor­izer is proving to be the solu­tion to the smoking conun­drum. As I have men­tioned before — the effi­ciency level of the deliv­ery systems appear to be; 1) smoking, 2) vaping (blend only), and by a some­what distant third — oral solu­tion.

    I find the Iolite to be extremely effi­cient, easy to use, highly port­able and dis­creet. One can be had for under $200. I’m rather sur­prised more here do not use one.

    And as a final note — as this likely will be my last post here or on any other such forum — I have a concern about the sharing of e-mail addresses. I have begun to receive junk mail from vendors I have never done busi­ness with. As I find it hard to believe a vendor would share an address with a com­pet­itor — well — I’ll leave the rest to your ima­gin­a­tion.

    Happy trails…

  4. Synchronium says:

    Unless you put your email address in the comment itself, no one else can see it.

  5. Overwatch says:

    Jay believes he’s dis­covered some­thing note­worthy in terms of repeat dosing, tol­er­ance and with­drawal symp­toms. As you may have heard, a company has developed a urine test that can detect Can­nabin­oids for 72 hours post dose. Iron­ic­ally, or by sure design, that seems to be the same amount of time needed to fully recover, includ­ing with­drawal symp­toms, from daily high dose can­nabin­oid usage.

    Jay found himself alone with nothing to do for an entire week. He decided to dose fre­quently several times per day for the entire week. On day five he couldn’t stand the idea of getting high again, dreaded the ritual and stopped com­pletely. The fol­low­ing day wasn’t too bad. He felt dazed for the first half and then started devel­op­ing mild anxiety the second half. Day two was filled with mild anxiety, body aches, stomach aches, chills/​sweating and a general feeling of being unwell. Day three was a gradual incline to feeling better, regain­ing short term memory and achiev­ing a return to baseline mental focus, agility and ability.

    Laz.….Thanks for the input regard­ing the Iolite. I’ve read about the Volcano which seems too expens­ive for me. If you’re getting junk E-mail rest assured it isn’t coming from this site / admin­is­trator. I’ve posted my legit E-mail address in the box beneath “Leave a Reply” and haven’t gotten a single piece of junk.

  6. Allprowe says:

    I made my first batch of using 18 and Everclear. 4oz of Damiana 1 gm. jwh mixed in one cup of Everclear. I cant pur­chase the Everclear in our state so I made a road trip to Oregon. Fresh is best I have always said. Great blend mellow trip. 1$ per gram

  7. JT says:

    Hey, The mil­it­ary has a banned on JWH-18 and now has a drug test for it. How long is jwh-18 trac­able in your system?

  8. Overwatch says:

    JT.….If so, tell us the name of the testing company and illus­trate via web doc­u­ment­a­tion that they (DOD) are using this company’s test. I don’t believe they are cur­rently testing for Can­nabin­oids.

  9. Ratgirl13 says:

    Report­ing back in after a week away…

    (Much love to Hinden­bur­ger for doing molecules, espe­cially molecu­lar bio­lo­gical ones. Are you any rela­tion to Ham­burger? Dogs need to know.)

    Every day for four weeks I’d con­sumed my JWH-18, 3 – 6 ml everclear solu­tion, either smoked or orally. I decided to leave it behind on my camping trip. Had abso­lutely NO with­drawal symp­toms what­so­ever, or rather nothing that I could ascribe spe­cific­ally to with­drawal rather than a decreased quality of sleep, being that I was sleep­ing on the ground. No chills, nothing. ‘Cause I’m female? ‘Cause I’m doing straight 18 and not a mix of 18 & 73?

    What was even more inter­est­ing is that I had no desire or craving for the high. I got home Tuesday evening (Aug 10) and had abso­lutely no feeling of “can’t wait to get home and get high.” Just now (Aug 14) I decided to put a 3 ml dose of 18 Everclear solu­tion in my beer, and we’ll see in an hour or so what my body does to it. We have also learned that the solu­tion stands up to five weeks in a balloon, er, sorry, refri­ger­ator. Jules Verne is a favor­ite of mine.

    Here’s some­thing else that I find inter­est­ing: I am per­man­ently dis­abled with mood dis­orders (anxiety, chronic depres­sion aka dys­thy­mia and PTSD) and found organic can­nabis the best pos­sible medi­cine. I decided to research the 18 as a sub­sti­tute for MJ because of the legal issues involved, the health issues of smoking and also because a meas­ured oral dosage is some­thing I can work with more easily in the research. I found that both the organic and the 18 seemed to exacer­bate feel­ings of fatigue and created a similar flat­ten­ing of emo­tional reac­tion, which I call “putting a Teflon shield between me and the world.)

    Appar­ently the exper­i­ence of inter­act­ing with the world for four weeks while “shiel­ded” left behind some­thing beha­vi­or­ally (neur­on­ally?) Cog­nit­ive Beha­vior Therapy would say that prac­tice in dealing with situ­ations in safety is essen­tial before one engages in the real world, and that the only way to evolve one’s reac­tion is prac­tice. I discuss all of this exper­i­ment­a­tion with my ther­ap­ist so that I have the input of another per­spect­ive that I can trust. So we may have a very valu­able molecule here. Science rocks!

    I’m going to a real doctor for the first time in several years on Monday, and I’d thought that perhaps I shouldn’t put any JWH-18 in my system so that I wouldn’t skew the medical tests, but I know my usual results and so, if any­thing is out of the ordin­ary, I’ll con­sider it some­thing to be tested further.

    Laz, I second Overwatch’s comment on your email issue — this isn’t the droid you’re looking for. I’ve had no trouble res­ult­ing from my par­ti­cip­a­tion on this forum. Long ago I real­ized that the best way to avoid garbage in my mailbox was a) never click on any­thing that says “free” and b) stay away from porn. “a)” is a no-brainer, but “b)” takes dis­cip­line.

    Anybody have any exper­i­ence with JWH-019 or 5-MeO-Dalt?

  10. JT says:

    I have no idea what the company name is. All I do know is that there are several reports on people being dis­charged from the mil­it­ary for using jwh-18. I would just like to know if there is ANY way that the can trace it in your system.…and how long it stays in your system

  11. judgmentday says:

    redwood toxicology…no proof they have a gov­ern­ment con­tract or not? stays in your system for 72 hours depend­ing on dose…

  12. Overwatch says:

    JT.…To answer your ques­tion, Yes and 72 hours accord­ing to the only company that offers a test. It is highly unlikely the Depart­ment of Defense has eval­u­ated, accep­ted and con­trac­ted with this company for ongoing urine testing. Logic, when factor­ing the cost, affirms this unlikely scen­ario.

    Let’s not further the hype by repeat­ing unveri­fied claims of dis­charges (based upon failed urine testing), UCMJ charges and JWH urine testing within our mil­it­ary.

  13. JSOTS Tim says:

    The mil­it­ary will do what they want to do — and get away with it — no matter if what they want is legal-ish or NOT.

    If they dis­charge folks for using JWH and/​or Salvia, it’s prob­ably just a knee­jerk reac­tion to make SURE Ser­vi­cepeople don’t have any­thing besides the good ol’ tobacco and alcohol standyby’s.

    They have to be careful to keep all those ‘peace and love’ types out of the ranks as much as pos­sible… I know this from per­sonal exper­i­ence.

  14. D3 says:

    Hi,
    I need to share swims exper­i­ence: After making over several pounds of blends and smoking the blends for almost a year it’s time for swim to stop.
    Maybe the drink­ing didn’t help matters for sure but he can’t take the chance again.
    He drank several drinks and smoked only 5 hits in 8 hours then felt burnt out and slept for 2 hours. Within a half hour of awaken­ing he felt extremely short of breath, weight on chest like a heart attack. He paced and waited but it felt worse maybe due to anxiety of no one there in case of it going to cardiac arrest.
    He called his wife and she took him to the hos­pital. After not wanting to answer the ques­tions and spend­ing ther nite getting some aspirin and nitrogly­cer­ine they sug­ges­ted a a tread­mill stress test with Thalium for dia­gnosis. he refused and the trad­mill stress test minus Thalium showed no abnor­mal con­di­tion.
    He went home and 9 hours later is feeling anxious and short of breath, tight­ness in chest, tingling in arms and spacey.
    No lecture but be aware. This ol’ sci­ent­ist is on a dry-out path and hoping effects go away soon.

    D3 bows out of the JWH realm. Never had those effects from the real stuff and it could be many factors but non­ethe­less, it’s uncom­fort­able to say the least.

  15. Bama420 says:

    D3, Just let SWIM know that we are a million miles from yes­ter­day, Let It Be, men­tally! Live the damn moment and have fun! Nothing like a good shot of Cabo Wabo Tequila Blue Agave, that is an exper­i­ence! I had to stop due to same thing SWIM exper­i­enced, I set off my defib­u­lator. Shocked the wee wee out of me! LMAO! Don’t hurt your­self dwell­ing on it. You don’t seem like a can­didat for Post Trauma! Be good to your­self, you deserve it!

  16. Ratgirl13 says:

    Bama & D3 — are we talking about just 018 or com­bin­a­tions of several JWH ingredi­ents?

  17. D3 says:

    Bama and Ratgirl-
    First, thanks Bama, I am trying. Last nite I did feel sick but I walked for an hour today and do feel better. A little Cabo is good stuff. Life is more than just being high for this or that. I hope to stay off the stuff though.
    Ratgirl- It was a combo of 18,73,81,250 and Damiana. Is that bad?

  18. Bama420 says:

    D3 I worked with those same 4 and added WIN FX to the Withch’s Brew and it was great orally inges­ted, long mellow sublime. Smoked wasn’t as good with the weaker com­pounds. Best of Luck, I feel You!!!!
    Bama

  19. Ratgirl13 says:

    D3, it’s just that it might be one of the ingredi­ents that causes the heart pal­pit­a­tions, or the com­bin­a­tion of these par­tic­u­lar ones in par­tic­u­lar amounts, and there’s no way for us guinea pigs to sort it out. But it demon­strates why phar­ma­ceut­ical com­pan­ies spend so much money trying to figure out exactly what works, what’s safe and what’s toxic. Infin­ite diversity, infin­ite combinations…my Star Trek is showing.

  20. Bama420 says:

    Well Put!

  21. sarah says:

    i would just like to say that when i smoke serenity the first time my friend told me that it wouldn’t be the same as weed so i thought that meant it wouldn’t be strong (and i’d only smoked weed maybe three times before this) so i took eight hits off the bat and i had a panic attack and i would have insisted on going to the hos­pital if it wasn’t for my friend being there because i thought i was dying and after being told to sit down and just chill i saw stuff and was really scared and para­noid. since then i’ve tired it again but taking only two hits and it made me feel fine. i would have to say its okay to use with a small dose espe­cially if its your first time. but doing a lot of it at once could be very dan­ger­ous espe­cially since your heart rate picks up when you smoke it no matter how chill and tired you feel. anyway thats my opinion

  22. vertices says:

    Hello all,
    I am a long time fol­lower and first time poster. I have been very pleased with the jwh series and the inform­a­tion that I have found in this thread, most notably the posts from x1. I would like to thank every­one.
    I am very curious about RCS-4 and RCS-8 but I cannot seem to find much inform­a­tion on either. Any help would be appre­ci­ated.
    Thanks

  23. a coma says:

    i have been smoking jwh-018 and several products that contain and have been using a home made blend using alcohol as the reagant for 13 months now and for the longest time had no side effects other than stomach aches from time to time when a little too much was used but within the last two months i have been getting more serious side effects, such as vomit­ting blood. the first time i vomit­ted blood i figured i was just sick so con­tinue to use but i believe the effects are worsen­ing. i can slack off a few days and feel my body healing so to speak but everytime used in large quan­it­ies some­thing as small as a smokers cough will cause me to throw up blood. enough lab rat for me…

  24. Ratgirl13 says:

    Sarah, I agree with you — I think that any­thing you put into your body the first time is going to have a more extreme reac­tion. I hope your friend told you to “sit down and chill” nicely and politely, and am glad to see that you were willing to give the exper­i­ence another try. It’s hard to sort out the appre­hen­sion over a new exper­i­ence from the way a new chem­ical makes you feel from the danger zone.

    a coma, please see a doctor about your stomach. Vomit­ing blood is an emer­gency symptom. The next time it happens, save the vomit and go to the hos­pital.

    It sounds like some­thing other than JWH is going on, perhaps some­thing serious. A syn­thetic can­nabin­oid shouldn’t do any­thing rad­ic­ally dif­fer­ent than an organic can­nabin­oid, and you don’t report any oral con­sump­tion, nor do people report these signs from smoking MJ. I think it is a coin­cid­ence, the JWH and the stomach prob­lems.

    Please get it checked out. I’m not a doctor, I just play one on the Internet.…but I’m a poly­math and read medi­cine for fun. Just not at the molecu­lar level. (I shall no longer curdle my mucosal pro­teins by inhal­ing smoke!)

  25. Ratgirl13 says:

    I figure that since I still have half a gram of 18 from July 7, and since I shall no longer curdle my mucosal pro­teins by inhal­ing hot smoke, I should send for the lecithin as dis­cussed above.

    I notice that there are two types of dry lecithin, gran­u­lated and powdered. This would explain why the pre­vi­ous poster men­tioned really having to chop the stuff up. I had visions of razor blades and mirrored coffee tables. I sent for the powder, fig­ur­ing that I could work with the cap­sules to compare onset time.

    However I do not know how to search this page to find the pre­vi­ous posts on lecithin. Please help!

    I had to bring my $9 order to a minimum of $10 (plus $12 ship­ping — I can send a package to England for that!) so bought some ephedra seeds. I’m reading a book called “Inside the Out­breaks: The Élite Medical Detect­ives of the Epi­demic Intel­li­gence Service” by Mark Pen­d­er­grast which men­tions how ephedra got pulled off the market. The mer­chant from which I pur­chased the products indic­ated ephedra could pos­sibly be a nerve tonic, which I find quite appealilng. I would love to play with plants I’ve nur­tured myself!

    I still haven’t played with the salvia on the balcony, though I’m sure it’s not THAT type of salvia (having bought it at K-Mart).

    Anyone inter­ested in public health and bac­teria might enjoy the “Out­breaks” book immensely.

  26. Ratgirl13 says:

    Hello Ver­tices,

    Welcome to here.

    I know nothing about RCS-4 and RCS-8. (I was new a couple months ago, and I barely under­stand JWH-18.) I wonder.…are labs invent­ing their own names for what they sell? Has someone started selling chem­ic­als under the name of “Recre­ational Chem­ical?”

    That is just too ety­mo­lo­gic­ally weird.

  27. vertices says:

    I ask about RCS-4 and RCS-8 because a certain sup­plier is offer­ing it. I suspect it is a syn­thetic can­nabin­oid but would like to verify.
    ratgirl,
    I think that because many states have sched­uled the jwh series that the chem­ists have tweaked chains of molecules to avoid legis­la­tion and to con­tinue sales. I know I would.

  28. Overwatch says:

    I have read a great deal of Inter­net dis­cus­sion and “trip reports” on RCS-8 (aka. SR-18) and a little bit about RCS-4. The general under­stand­ing is that these com­pounds are being created to bypass legis­la­tion in the UK as well as new laws against syn­thetic can­nabin­oids in the US. Per several dose reports they are not as strong as -18, -73, -250, etc. Most testers have repor­ted back saying they are not worth­while where the ori­ginal / popular Can­nabin­oids are still avail­able and legal. Stay tuned as these make their way across the market and the asso­ci­ated trip reports are posted. You should have an accur­ate idea of their viab­il­ity within mere weeks.

    As for Jay, he’s held his usage to one day per weekend fol­low­ing his five day testing binge. This sched­ule is truly, as I think X1 would agree, ideal. It allows, during the course of your week­days, to lose all tol­er­ance. Not to mention the ability to be truly pro­duct­ive during your week. The first dose on Sat­urday is the good olé slam to the system. Strange.…following the binge week, there is no trace of addic­tion toward the stuff. No strong desire, no per­sist­ent need. However, he still has an attrac­tion for a dose — but no more than, say, an attrac­tion to go play a fun sport on the weekend.

    Jay will place is final order to “stock up” on Monday before the law goes into effect in his state a mere six days later. Kinda sad.

  29. Ratgirl13 says:

    Note: Gross­ness follows…

    Having taken time off from 018 I was able to better observed what happened to me regard­ing the over­eat­ing we’ve all repor­ted…

    I had noticed that I wasn’t eating all night after coming back from camping and through­out the fol­low­ing, and then yes­ter­day I took the 5 ml dose of Moon­shine Mix.…

    I ate most of a huge salad, then 34 of a pint of ice cream, then a huge wedge of water­melon and finally half a dozen crack­ers, at which point my body rebelled and I had severe stomach cramps before I threw up at least a quart, if not more, of the par­tially-diges­ted above-men­tioned foods…

    Does 18 turn off what they used to call the “appestat” in com­mer­cials, dis­rupt­ing the brain-stomach “I’m full” con­nec­tion? Or does it jack up the need for oral stim­u­la­tion to the point where the brain dis­reg­ards the full signal because the mouth wants more?

    Many anti­de­press­ants and anti-anxiety meds also seem to lead to increased eating. Some­thing to do with sero­tonin maybe?

  30. Overwatch says:

    Rat.…..Good ques­tions. As for Jay per­son­ally, he gets really “into” whatever he’s doing while soaring. If it’s a TV show, music, swinging in a hammock, sex or eating — mind, body and spirit are all involved 100%. And thus the tend­ency to indulge. For him eating is awesome because everything tastes so great, smells phe­nom­enal and makes him even feel good after­ward. He recalls spend­ing a few solid minutes smelling a jar of new peanut butter after pealing back the lid. Ha! Sounds funny, but it really smelled awesome to him.

    The crème da la crème for Jay in terms of munchies is a dan­ger­ous con­coc­tion he makes. Edy’s slow churn vanilla ice cream, sliced fresh bananas and straw­berry, topped with her­sheys chocol­ate. It is.…..well.…words wouldn’t do it justice.

  31. Ratgirl13 says:

    The Rat would like to add some whipped cream and a cherry to Jay’s con­coc­tion…

    And rhaps­od­iz­ing over the smell of peanut butter doesn’t sound all that odd to me — I have a dog who has taught me that there’s pleas­ure in a deep sniff. We just dis­agree on what’s good to sniff…

  32. phish says:

    Ratgirl you are eli­gible for medi­cinal marijuana in applic­able states. I hate seeing people get on psy­chi­at­ric drugs when the person is helped by can­nabis.

    Jwh-018 on the way– will report back with exper­i­ences

  33. Ratgirl13 says:

    Ah, phish…if only.… I am only eli­gible for medical marijuana in New Mexico, which allows for PTSD… And I agree, I hate seeing people on psy­chi­at­ric drugs when can­nabis would work! But it is hard to gain cred­ib­il­ity when one starts from a pos­i­tion of having a mental health issue — easy to dismiss us as “nuts!”

    That’s what started my research with JWH — that and the smoking aspect. I spent a month research­ing my state’s medical marijuana program before begin­ning my JHW-018 exper­i­ments.

    Over­watch, I have a ques­tion for Jay about his binge week: Any­thing to report on sleep­ing or dreams?

    My lecithin is on the way, and I was actu­ally smart — appar­ently saved the recipe even though I have no recol­lec­tion of it. Will be exper­i­ment­ing with sub­lin­gual lecithin blend cap­sules vs curd­ling my lung mucus with heat…looking for a quick augment to the 5-hr oral JWH-18 basic exper­i­ence.

  34. H=4 says:

    Jwh-18 gave me hal­lu­cin­a­tions and para­noia, I loved it, it pro­duced the most intric­ate delu­sional flights of fancy, spiral­ing evolved plots off of frag­ments of data, love the aud­it­ory hal­lu­cin­a­tions, has anyone seen ghosts or had really strange thoughts, on jwh I mean? I think they are great stories and arti­facts of the exper­i­ence, worth record­ing.
    H~

  35. Overwatch says:

    Rat.…It’s hard for Jay to remem­ber much from that week, but doesn’t recall any prob­lems sleep­ing. He seems to remem­ber a vague line between being high w/​ your eyes closed and mind engaged to being totally asleep.

    However, the two days fol­low­ing the binge sleep­ing was hor­rible. Mind fully engaged, racing almost as if it had been asleep during the entire high and now trying to catch up. Tossing, turning, hot, cold, uncom­fort­able, wide awake, etc, etc.

  36. D3 says:

    Wow Over­watch, you had some wild times…As for me, I haven’t had any con­sump­tion for 11 days since Ground Zero. Feel back to normal but lungs are still clear­ing out little by little.
    Too nervous that things might go awry again so not sure if will try again.
    Every­one has their own exper­i­ence it seems.
    Ratgirl you are a hoot..

  37. bench43 says:

    To x1 and Ratgirl:

    Hey, i’ve read up on your com­ments about moun­tain industry. Thanks for the info! Was about to pull the trigger on buying some JWH-018 from them but im glad i found your posts.

    I’ve had great results from Sacra, but 018 is illegal in my state. When i called moun­tain, the lady told me they would ship any­where and it was up to the buyer to know the laws in their state.

    Has there been anymore inform­a­tion found on these people? because I’d really like to get my hands on some 018

    THANKS!!

  38. Ratgirl13 says:

    Not that I would ever, ever encour­age anyone to do any­thing that is even remotely illegal in their state, but in ret­ro­spect, bench43, I believe that the product I received from moun­tain was actu­ally 18 in some sort of pre­cursor state to the dry white powder we’ve received from others.

    Being that there’s no way I would spend $$$ on chem­ic­als to get high and then not use them to get high, I pro­cessed it and tried it against everyone’s advice (Spank that rat!) and it gave me an 18 exper­i­ence identical to the powder with the proven­ance. I hadn’t looked at the solu­tion in the fridge for a few weeks, so just did — heavy white layer of crystal-looking pre­cip­it­ate on the bottom of the jar of ethanol. My guess is that, with heat, it will dis­solve again for a clear liquid. For my next exper­i­ment, tho, I must have powder!

    Hooty toot toot, D3. We’re gen­er­ally smart people, we exper­i­mental types. Yet we torture our lungs. It reminds me of wearing high heels…something you men wouldn’t know much about. Bal­an­cing pleas­ure with pain.…pun sorta inten­ded.

  39. Bench43 says:

    dis­claimer: I was men­tally incom­pet­ent earlier and will cer­tainly not be break­ing any laws!

    Ratgirl, Thanks for that. I’ve only dealt with powder. Moun­tain, I believe, advert­ise their product as being 99.9% (first red flag) crys­tal­line powder.

    Did you ever get any sat­is­fac­tion from the company in the way of replace­ment, etc.? They seem to have a very strict return policy (2nd red flag) as opposed to recemz or others.

    The fact that they said they would ship to any state was seemed like a warning sign as well.

    Not to mention the fact that their spam is strewn about the inter­net with coupon codes (which work). They just scream shady to me. I was very lucky (or smart) enough to get a reli­able sup­plier on my first try (SR). But they carry way more chems.

    In your opinion are a legit­im­ate sup­plier?

  40. Ratgirl13 says:

    bench, I’d say moun­tain is a legit­im­ate sup­plier, but I’m not sure of what… I sent them money and got some­thing in return…

    Although what I got was, I believe, JWH-018, I def­in­itely did not receive crys­tal­line powder nor did I receive an answer when I emailed them. The problem is that we’re using these chem­ic­als in dis­reg­ard of the man­u­fac­tur­ers’ warn­ings — not for human con­sump­tion — and so usage can’t be dis­cussed.

    It goes to the heart of my issues with recre­ational chem­ic­als in general. I need the effects of the chem­ic­als but won’t play the games neces­sary to “score” can­nabis. And I’m not inclined to play games with mer­chants, either, whether they’re selling recre­ational chem­ic­als or shoes.

    I know Dr. Syn wants to keep this from being a dis­cus­sion of sup­pli­ers, but I think there are legit­im­ate ques­tions about the how one pur­chases some­thing with the poten­tial for harm when one cannot discuss one’s pur­chase with the mer­chant.

  41. Ratgirl13 says:

    H=4, thank you for sharing your exper­i­ence. For our con­sid­er­a­tion, how much did you take, how did you take it, over what time period?

    Over­watch, I had three “sober” days. During these days I had the same erotic char­ac­ter in my detailed dreams. (His name was Jack Biatti, he had straight golden brown hair worn in a bowl cut and he kept telling me I was beautiful…very good for the libido.)

    Yes­ter­day I took 5 ml of my solu­tion in a 12 oz beer at about 7 pm on an empty stomach. There was a little nausea involved. My dream was boring and involved a busi­ness day where even the boss/​teacher said, go ahead and watch TV, I don’t care, just stay here until the day is over.

    However keeping the 18 in my system helps me deal with the weird neigh­bor in the apart­ment block. I’m taking 4ml in 7 oz of beer this after­noon, hoping to get lots of house­work done.

    Beer…one of my favor­ite lines in LOTR is, “You mean it comes in pints?!?”

  42. Overwatch says:

    Just in case anyone was won­der­ing how much sup­pli­ers are paying per gram of -18.… $9 US Dollars per gram shipped (in one kilo) to their door. Nice mark up, nice busi­ness.

  43. Bama420 says:

    Hey Over­watch, I say we carpool and get the same advant­age! Every­body just send me your card numbers and I promise I am good for it! LMAO! Not a bad idea though, 10 people to divide out a kilo, someone else do the math, I got a slide rule, but under influ­ence of 018 at this time, back to the guitar!

  44. Carova says:

    Over­watch Quote — “Just in case anyone was won­der­ing how much sup­pli­ers are paying per gram of -18…. $9 US Dollars per gram shipped (in one kilo) to their door.”

    Anyone who is paying that much from a Lab is getting ripped off! The prices this week for 018073 have been $2,800-$4,400 USD per kilo shipped (depend­ing upon purity and ana­lyt­ical sup­port­ing data). The prices that Over­watch quoted would be appro­pri­ate if the pur­chaser were getting these com­pounds from a rather expens­ive Middle­man.

  45. JSOTS Tim says:

    I gen­er­ally try to get someone who knows what they’re doing to intro­duce me to new Research Chem­ic­als and such.

    Some­times it’s pos­sible, some­times not, and some­times I’VE been the one to take that first big step in my peer group — try some­thing out — and then say “Hey y’all, try this! Here’s how much you need to use, and how to use it, and these are the kinds of things it might likely do, good and bad.”

    If I LIKE some­thing I want to share it, period. Some things are easier to share than others, and some things are better shared live and in person. When it comes to JWH RC’s, what I prefer mostly to do is give it away, in very small amounts, and let folks decide if it’s “right for them”.

    Works for me. It’s low key, non-com­mer­cial, per­sonal, and due to some people making dona­tions, pretty much breaks even. And it’s fun!

  46. Synchronium says:

    This thread is now closed. Please con­tinue the dis­cus­sion here: Syn­thetic Can­nabin­oid Dis­cus­sion II

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