The Spice smoking mixture range has been one of the most popular “herbal” smokes ever, and now it’s no suprise why.
To get an idea of just how popular these mixtures are, just take a look at this data from Google’s keyword tool:
That’s over 37,000 searches a month for these three search terms alone — Spice is definitely a customer favourite. I also get no less than 500 emails a day from Russia asking if I can ship it there by the kilo. So what’s behind it all?
This paper [PDF; 246 kB] has some interesting things to say. It turns out that the Spice blends all contain JWH-018 as well as two compounds based on CP 47497 — all of them synthetic cannabinoids. These are man made chemicals designed to tickle the same receptors as THC, the active compound in cannabis, so it’s no wonder these smoking mixtures are so powerful. The difference in potency between the Spice blends appears to be accounted for by increasing levels of these CP 47497 homologues.
Since this discovery, Spice has been banned in several countries, including Austria and Germany. The BBC also reported on it and had the following to say:
The UK drugs regulator, the Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), is understood to have identified JWH018 in products available in the UK. It is currently in order to determine whether or not it should be classified as a medicinal product — which would mean it should only be available from a doctor.
The UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which advises the government on whether a drug should be made illegal, is also aware of the substance, and is investigating it.
The Spice manufacturers make no mention of these synthetics on their packaging, so a lot of herb-enthusiasts feel somewhat betrayed. Rightly so, I suppose — not being told just what you’re smoking exactly. People have the choice to put things in their body and some Spice smokers might make a different decision if they had all the facts in hand.
But, why?
The typical reaction to this news seems to be the disgust about putting any of these “unsafe” man-made compounds into their body, as though mother nature was some kind of safety net. “These plants have thousands of years of safe use”, they say! But let’s take a closer look…
Take Kratom, for instance. Kratom contains a powerful compound called mitragynine, which acts upon the opioid receptors; the same targets for opium and its derivatives. One alkaloid in kratom, although present in much smaller quantities, is 7-hydroxymitragynine, which is apparently 17x more potent than morphine! While I wouldn’t call this plant harmful, compared to other drugs like cocaine and heroin, it wouldn’t say it was harmless either. The opioid receptors are a dangerous set of receptors to be messing with — the mu subtype responsible for the classic euphoria that accompanies opiate use also stops you breathing if you tickle them too much. Opiates are also addictive, just like kratom can be if you take too much. While this plant may have seen thousands of years of responsible, moderate use, this is no reassurance at all towards its safety.
Now days, people generally don’t toil in the field every day that Newton sends — we have more free time and money to spend than ever before. We can now afford to use large quantities of kratom every day, as well as other entheogens from around the world, but we don’t have any information about this level of exposure to kratom itself or in combination with other stuff. For all we know, taking a mixture of kratom and Salvia divinorum daily could make your eyeballs explode after day 300, or chronic kratom use might give you some kind of evil superpower. Looking at paracetamol as a rather boring example, if you take the odd one every now and then, you’ll be fine, but if you take 8 pills a day every day for a year, you’ll likely end up with some serious condition. There’s also the fact that modern chemistry can create powerful extracts of these entheogens. Who’s to say they’re safe, just because they come from a plant? And what about any other drugs we might be on? Being on a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor like Prozac for depression isn’t uncommon in today’s society — combine them with the “perfectly safe” Banisteriopsis caapi vine, itself a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, and you have a potentially fatal combination of drugs in your system. I bet there are many more contraindications we haven’t even considered.
What about plants like cannabis and tobacco? They’ve also been used responsibly for thousands of years, but it’s only when so many people start to take these things that we realised “Actually, smoking is bad for us”. Besides, our current medical knowledge means we’ve only recently been able to diagnose these kind of things. I’m not sure I want to trust any data from a period when epilepsy might have been down to a demonic possession. How many adverse health effects could we identify in these ancient entheogen users based on what we know today?
So, while we can be uncertain of the long term effects on health of JWH-018 and friends, it seems we can’t actually be certain about the safety of most of the things we happily consume. Yes, they may turn out to be super toxic (although probably not, if they’re given to lab rats), but at least they only act on your cannabinoid receptors. Kratom tends to be prepared as a tea — once you’ve drunk it, you’ve drunk it. If you’ve taken too much, you’ll realise when its already in your blood. It would be much harder to overdose on these synthetics due to the speed at which they get in your system — if you’re too stoned, you won’t want to smoke any more, never mind being physically able to. The cannabinoid receptors they target are also much safter than the opioid targets of kratom. Cannabinoid receptors seem play a modulatory role, rather than being majorly important, so messing with them doesn’t have as drastic an effect. Smoking too much might make you feel a bit sick and dizzy for a while, but you certainly won’t stop breathing.
In all, I think Spice is in the wrong for not making this clear in the first place, but then I’m not suprised they didn’t want to list these compounds in the current political climate. Maybe when the government realises that it is our right to put things into our own bodies, listing these ingredients wouldn’t be an issue.
Even with this new information however, I’ll still be using the stuff. It’s great!
Do not even attempt to try this shit. It had me on a paranoia trip for two+ days. I went to work a day after I smoked this shit and thought I was going to lose my job. I only took one hit off it and was in another dimension. I couldn’t tell what was real or not. I was on a bad trip and I wanted to just get the hell away from people because I felt they all KNEW. Stay away from this shit, OR FACE THE SAME FATE AS A LOT OF US UNFORTUNATE PEOPLE!
Hello I want to share my story of my experience with fake marijuana. I am in my mid 20’s and I have smoked weed 8 times in my entire life. Sometimes I would get anxious and other times just relaxed. I have never done any other drug nor do I care to. I mainly just consume alcohol on the weekends with friends and haven’t smoked weed in months. I was with my friend on the weekend and he had went to a local smoke and picked up a small packet of this stuff called “Cloud Ten” I didn’t get a chance the read the label on the back about the not for human consumption, but I sure wish I did. Later that night I was drinking at his place and was getting pretty intoxicated we went outside and he started to smoke the Cloud Ten. He offered me some and being drunk and not making wise decision I tried it. I was thinking it was a safe substance since it was legal something like a tobacco or hookah. I took one puff from it and immediately starting getting lightheaded and sick. At this point I knew something was wrong so I went inside to lie down and sleep it off.
As soon as I lay down I started to get he spins and I have had the spins before from alcohol, but this was 100 times worse. I was grabbing the floor and anything that was solid telling myself that it was all in my head. Eventually the spins stopped, but at this point I started to trip bad and I have never tripped on a drug before. I had felt like I had died and gone to hell or what my brain thought hell would feel like. I started to disconnect from reality and forgot who I was I was starting to lose myself. At this point I was fighting my way back trying to tell myself I was real and fine, that I was a good person and I would wake up from it. After a little bit I was able to open my eyes, but my vision was so messed up it hurt me eyes to look around. At this point my friends were checking on me asking if I was OK, but I couldn’t talk. I remember being very paranoid and thinking this people are not my friends that they almost were not even really there. Also time seemed to slow down and it felt like it was never going to end that I was trapped forever. then was finally able to get up and move around which was hard since my balance was gone. Then I started to vomit anything and everything I could. This went on for about 15 minutes after which I started drinking a lot of water.
I crashed shortly after this and went to bed waking up at 9 am and thinking to myself what had happened last night. I felt fine when I left to go home almost like nothing had happened. When I got home I decided to go on a walk and clear my head, but about 3 miles in I felt like my brain was in a fog and I couldn’t think straight. This scared the living hell out of me so I rushed home and started researching everything about the substance. At this point after finding out about the substance I started worry more because of how new it is and the little amount of research on it in humans. I started to do things to take my mind off it and I would feel better for a bit, but as soon as I left my familiar environment my mind would go into the haze again. The next two weeks were horrible for me I would have constant pain in my head and it felt like there was so much pressure. Also I would wake up in the middle of the night sweating and my heart would be racing. It now has been almost two months since that night and I do feel a lot better, but I’m far from being 100% back. I have never suffered like this from drinking or the little of weed I have. I used to love my life and was always happy I felt like a million bucks until I smoked that fake bullshit. Now everyday seems like a struggle I’m depressed and I also have headaches which I never fucking used to have. I have been exercising on a daily basis, drinking a lot of water and detox my body. I hope to god that is feeling I have and the headaches go away and this whole experience really has opened my eyes.
As for the people saying that they have smoked it and are fine I am really happy for you, but I would stop while your still lucky because even John W. Huffman the person who discovered the chemical has said “It’s like playing Russian roulette. You don’t know what it’s going to do to you.” I wasn’t so lucky and I got the bullet now I would give anything to take that night back and save myself two months of hell that I have been going through.
Source http://www.livescience.com/health/fake-marijuana-k2-hallucinations-100303.html
Sorry for the long post also Garrat, Nick and Dave I know exactly what you guys are going through or went through. Let me know if you want my email so we can stay in touch and get over this together.
Hi regret , be worth you searching for similar stories for mj users , there are plenty. I personally think this chemical is similar but has a higher dosage , so people are freaking out . Like I’ve said before you’ve developed a anxiety disorder . Just stop thinking about it , engage life and don’t smoke it again .
Take it easy bro . Dave
Hello Dave, I know I will get back to normal it will just take time. My problem is this weird headaches and head sensations I get which that have me worried the most. Very hard describe them, but I think it my be part of depersonalization. I try and not to think about it, but it is very hard because every time I feel strange I blame it on that one night. I wouldn’t be so worried if it was caused by a drug that has had studies done on it, but this stuff is no new.
Whatever effect its had is mental not physical from the amount u took , just read the reports of abuse on this site alone , so treat it as such . Cheers Dave
I have been taking Mega Mens multivitamin and I feel like its almost completely gone after a week and a half of use! Two a day with water and exercise. They are the best antioxidant vitamin you can buy and totally worth every penny! Its been a month since I overdosed on it… The headaches and the“different pressures” in my head have subsided, and the lightheadedness with heart palpitations are completely gone! Just to let everyone know… That SHIT is banned after the 25th of Dec! It’ll be a felony possession!
Good Luck!!!
I do too feel better from it though I think mentally it has really done some damage. Another thing I have noticed with me is I seem to be also tired. Not sure if it’s my brain healing itself or depression which I never had until smoking that stuff. I was thinking about getting some natural 5 HTP and taking some St. Johns Wort to help with my mood. What Mega Men’s Multivitamins did you take and are they all natural because after that night I’m done with anything synthetic?
I bought mine at GNC, but I’m sure you can prolly get them anywhere…There are really only two or three kinds. I just get the regular. Black label and it says Mega Men, Mens multivitamin. Don’t know if they are all natural, but if your skeptcal, at GNC they have little sample packs you can buy. Bet you notice a huge difference in three days or less!
I will definitely try them if my 5 HTP and St. Johns Wort doesn’t work for me. I was wondering did you every get a dull pain in your head. I now have just a dull pain from my neck up and it moves around my head. I’m so fucking down feeling like this I want to go back to how I use to be which was great. I hope someone sues these companies that sell this product that are so dangers.
Yeah, honestly thats about the only thing left.…not really a headache, but a pain/pressure that kinda move around the head…And when it used to be worse, if I did a really hard workout it would send me into almost a migraine from the neck to the back of the head…All of this used to be a LOT worse though. Its def getting better! Hang in there man… I still kinda believe its in our mindset. Do you ever notice that if you are out doing something you like and is fun, You don’t even think about it and its not even there?
I had the pressure really bad about a month ago, but that has almost gone away. I was told by a doctor that it was from increased blood flow to the brain which enlarged the blood vessel. What I have noticed is when I’m trying to concentrate or focus the pain increases for me, but when I’m active and busy I don’t notice it. There was a few times also where I feel really light headed and it is very uncomfortable for me since it brings on some anxiety and depersonalization. It seems like it is getting better every day, but not fast enough because I am so ready to enjoy my life again. I am just so shocked by how detrimental this has been to my body and how much mentally it has hurt me. How well do you sleep at night and do you feel well rested? I get enough sleep, but I never feel like I am fully rested and I am very tired all the time. Plus I cannot drink caffeine since it now gives me headaches which it never did before. Another thing that I seem to notice is that the pain I feel from my neck up is intensified almost as if under normal circumstance I wouldn’t even notice instead of the level a of pain being a 1 it’s not a 5.
Another thing this has done to me which I don’t like is I have so much anger because of everything I have been going through (which has been hell almost every day for two months). I am angry at myself for doing it, my friend for exposing it to me and the companies that manufacture it and sell it. I have been trying to find peace, but it is hard when I feel like shit all the time. Well I look forward from hearing you and I pray this will all go away so we can feel normal again.
Spice… worse thing I have ever tried do these effects ever dissapear. I swear ive seen my worst fears and some of the coolest shit over. I should have never ever tried it. I still feel the effects as i type this I feel like im going through a loop like im on a movie real and everything feels like it is going slow. It was my first time smoking anything and how everyone talked about it I thought it would be cool. Now Im scared for my life I feel like it is never going to end like it will be permanent for life. Im so scared that was the worse experience I have ever in my life and im still having it I want to sleep but i cant I have major bad thoughts and omg its so stupid I wish i would of read some of these post … I was scared before i tried it , now i know what the ultimate pain is and somewhat know what ultimate happy is. I already have depression from all the shit at school now this just made it worse does this shit ever go away I dont want to be legally insane for the rest of my life.…
Derrick the effects will go away just hang in there also if you need to seek help from you parents if it is really having a bad effect on you. How long ago was it when you did the drug, how much did you do and what kind was it?
It was Mr nice.guy 12 puffs I was told and I seeking help from ma and totally fucking up my college life wish this dream would end
I am very sorry to hear that for me I just had one puff and it fucked me up bad I couldn’t imagine 12! I would advise seeking medical attention because from what I have discovered is the shit is so much more potent then weed.
Well that can’t happen or my scholarship gone wow stupid if I knew this is what shit can do this shit wouldn’t have happened
How long has it been since you smoked the substance because it might out of your system, but you might be suffering from mental issues like depression and depersonalization? Also what is more important you life or you scholarship and I’m sure they will understand. I would advise not taking any other drugs at all, not alcohol, drink a lot of better, get a lot of rest, eat a proper diet, take multivitamins, exercise and do things that take your mind off of it and make you happy.
It has been like 18 hrs but it feels like it is still there I don’t want to be like this forever its fucking scary I’m definitely never doin anything again drinking never did this to me spice is hell omg no wonder I never smoked anything what was I thinking this bad choice and my recent depression just didn’t go together .… idiot me does this dream ever end?
I can only advise you going to the doctors even if they find nothing it will help you put your mind at ease. Have you slept, eaten or drank water since you smoked it 18 hours ago?
Listen Derrick, I think our cases are very similar. I overdosed on Mr Nice Guy as well! I prolly smoked just as much as you did! It will get better…Right now, the best thing you can do is drink a lot of water and exercise.…Detoxing is the first step. I recommend going for a walk when you get these shitty feelings(they kept coming in spirts for me)(rapid heartbeat, lightheadedness, and just when is this going to end)…and I know it is SOOO hard not to think about it, but Try to take your mind off of it by just thinking to yourself.…The WORST that shit can do to me, is already over and it will get better day by day…I know it is extremely scary at first, but the worst has already happened to you and it will get BETTER! I overdosed about a month ago and have hardly any symptoms at all now! I know a month seems like a long time, but it is a process and just remember YOU WILL GET BETTER!
You guys are all so funny. I own Atomic Spice in las vegas. For all of you who do know what you are talking about sorry you had to deal with people that are retarded for doing things they have no idea about. To the author-if you actually read all the comments left on here, i really liked your statement although you should have someone review it for grammatical and spelling errors. I am glad there are a few who can actually discuss this topic in an intelligent format. The people who ingest, smnoke, drink anything that someone else “says” will get you high.….… should do some reserch first. When you start taking a new round of medication that a doctor wants to give you whether it be a benzodiazapine, an ssri, or whatever, do you just start taking it because he prescribed it to you? Or would you want to do some research on it first?
People should just use common sense. Believe it or not people actually can overdose on water, its not drowning either for all the people scoffing at me because they “misinterpreted” what i said. The condition is called Water intoxication, also known as hyper-hydration, water poisoning, or overhydration, it’s a potentially fatal condition where there is an imbalance of electrolytes. But i digress.
The point I want to make is this:
“If you are an adult, act like one! Dont blame someone else for your retarded actions. Dont blame this guy or that guy because of their inaction. You are an adult, why dont you act like one? Dont be a statistic because of your ignorance, thrill seeking, or agressive behavior. Be a realist, be careful, you only have one life, treat it with respect. The last thing you want to do is have your wife post a comment about how you tripped the fuck out and freaked your family out. No offense, but that’s not cool. It’s also not cool to buy 3 Four Loco’s and black out, wake up in a dumpster, see yourself on tv running through the park naked. etc, etc, etc. Dont make a manufacturer, or distributor, or retailer responsible for your actions. THAT WAS YOUR ACTION!!!!!! believe me i love selling these products, But I don’t believe that I should be held responsible for your actions. Do you think gun dealers like seeing people get shot in the news? Of course not.
On a final note I would like to leave you all with this. The Constitution of the United States gave us all rights and liberties. Correct? Why does it seem like these rights continue to keep getting taken away from us, slowly little by little? We are required by law! To wear a seatbelt to protect us. Isnt our safety our choice? Stop giving the government more reasons to take more things away from us.
Hi Justin , I do agree with alot of what you’ve said. But I believe my bad experience resulted from uneven dosing of the product . I did my research and was still caught out .On further investigation batches tested had wildly different dosings of active ingredients , this was outside my control and had an adverse effect on my mental health for many months, fact .
It seems from a lot of comments that its safer to dose your own than to buy these unregulated products , of which your defending ?
I would say this product is no more dangerous than mj at certain doses , but could become dangerous unlike mj at higher ones and like mj should not be taken by anyone with mental health issues .
Out of interest would you also sell crack ? Peace.
Mr. Soup and I have been smoking this stuff off and on for a little over a month. (A brand called Mr. Nice Guy) We have decided to stop because well, we don’t want to spend our lives stoned. Plus, it gives me headaches. We had a little left in the bag and Mr. Soup scraped the resin out of the pipe and mixed it in. We each did a little. It was fine. The next night, I took a hit by myself. I accidentally took WAY TOO MUCH. At first it was fine. I thought, ok, that was stupid, I can’t really function properly, time for bed. I was in bed for about 30 min. and I started feeling really weird. It took me a few min. to realize it was my heart. It was pounding so hard I could feel it throbbing through my entire body and through my sternum when I put my hand to my chest. I didn’t panic, I thought to myself everything is going to be ok. Drank a TON of water and used visualization and concentration to keep calm and slow my heart rate. The whole time my mind was dragging me through the mud. Or rather, I was berating myself.
Not just about what I was doing at the moment, but about choices I have made and who I have become. Less than I should be. It was one of the most intense experiences of my life. It only lasted about an hour before I fell asleep. I woke up this morning feeling like a changed person. There is a reason tribal peoples used various types of smoke (such as this) for spiritual journeys. I had one of my own last night. I turned a negative into a positive somehow. I still am not sure how I didn’t panic. My heart was racing and pounding harder than I have ever felt in my 32 years and I used to be a runner. Yet, I knew it would be ok.
My unsolicited advice: I wouldn’t recommend scraping resin and smoking it. I think it’s just too hard to gauge how much you are ingesting.
If you choose to use this or any drug I hope you will do it with respect for your body and spirit.
As for me, I am done. It’s time for me to move on.
Dave–
I don’t condone unregulated testing, you can see me on the news or even read the news articles here in vegas in where I stated. “I think it’s great that a council on pharmacology or even a faculty such as the DEA wants to try to protect its constituents. But I think they are going about it the wrong way. Why send something into the black market when you can easily keep the legality of something and just control the manufacturing aspect where there would be safe doses. Right now you can mash up tree bark and sell it as incense. How would someone who’s never tried spice before know the difference?”
And by the way THC in its pure state can still be overdosed on. It has been shown to cause siezures, extreme paranoia, etc. etc. etc. Yes I would sell Crack if it was legal. How retarded is that question?
I dont mean to sound like a person who does not care about his fellow man. I am actually MORE caring in the fact that I DEFEND the notion that “adults” should be able to make their own sound decision to put whatever they want into their own body. I would sell uranium ore if i could.
Doesn’t matter.….This SHIT you’re selling will soon be banned nationwide! and I know you don’t care about your “fellow man”, you’re in it for the almighty dollar which you soon will be making no more of, off this product!!! Happy job hunting! and you should just leave this site so people that are seeking friends on the matter can be helped!!! Nobody on here cares about your opinion or views…
Dave–
You try so hard yet your just like every other retard out there. If you had done any kind of research like you say you have you would realize that the DEA is only banning 5 chemicals that are synthetic cannabinoids, that mimic the effects of thc. there are over a dozen strains of JWH, and over 50 cannabinoids that i could name off the top of my head. So, no sir, I dont need to go look for a job. And btw the JWH-018 you smoked is only up 7 times stronger than thc, your lucky you didnt smoke HU-210. Just so you know DAVE, you last statement sounds beyond infantile along with hypocritical. You state that you and others on here are seeking friends on the matter to be helped.….. if you want help stop being retarded. and if you cant go to a psych ward. And I am not in it for the all mighty dollar, I am actually in it because i like to be rebellious. I am also co-owner of a Senior Resource agency. So while i will still be in business Dave, I will not sell to retards such as your self. your IQ must be at least 80 to come into my store.
I know what is being banned son, and it will leave you very limited in resources.…Not to mention that word is out on the streets that SPICE is SHIT, and there are no long term tests on any of these chemicals…The Food and Drug Administration has even said they would rather you use Meth or Heroine, because at least they know what those will do to you long term! Everyone knows you haven’t been selling this SHIT for more than two years, found out you could make it yourself and sell it for for 10 – 20 times the value…You are definately in it for the almighty dollar and it’ll fizzle out just like every other scheme you have done in the past to make a buck! Your rebellious comment is one of the lamest excuses I have ever heard, and your IQ comment is even more of a cry!!! Took you almost a week to come up with that???Very Sad!!!LOL
@poop , just what happened to me in the end , found out a lot about myself , so in the long run u could say the whole experience was positive . Your cool poop !
@justine , i’m assuming some of your comments are misdirected bro, i didn’t write half of what your responding to ?
the crack question was genuine , i’m on the fence over drug legalization , people should have freedom of choice but some people need protecting from themselves , jury is still out for me though. quite liked the fact i was doing something illegal personally !
if your not in it for the money ‚would you recommend anyone reading these threads to buy compounds directly from source so they can dose there own to cut out the risk of uneven dosing then? peace.
All you cats that sit here and say “educate yourself on this stuff first”.…. not possible man. This is a new drug and there really isnt any solid or stable information on, especially considering the fact that you have NO IDEA what jwh-018, 250, 73 blend that WHOEVER mixed and put on some herbs and your smoking, not to mention the questionable purity of any of the synthetic canibanoids. Here is my expeirience of HEAVY use. First times smokeing very enjoyable with use of weak blends like Original spice and K2 summit and early brands. Very melllow high hits fast and goes away fast too, good high of about an hour, maby lingering to 2 hours. Continued smoking , very enjoyable.… very distinct weed high, not only similar too weed but rather exaclty like smoking some decent midis. Came across stronger blends, I,E, Pulse, black magic giving much more intense cerebral high like smoking good sensi or some good headies. Very very enjoyable, although possble light paranoia very often associated with high potency marijuana if not seasoned. Up to this point no bad or OD experience. I baggan to find more blends with increasing strength which leads me to first bad experience. I have smoke very very very good marijuana in very heavy use for over ten + years and was also a pretty heavy user of halucinagetics (yea terrible speller I know). Maybe not the best choices in life but it is what it is. Anyway, first bad experience, got a new blend, tried it out light at first see what king of doseing was best. Probably 3 puffs, no more. Well unfortunatly that was too much and irreversable. Roughly ten minutes later OD began, very noticable Jump in heart rate but not constant, heart would race in what i would have called waves or small rushes lasting anywhere from 10 to maybe 30 seconds. Also as the rushes hit me, in unison with the rush or jump in heart rate, I took notice that it made the Palms of my hands and feet sweet perfusly… my friends also exibit the same behavior When ODing or Peaking. This also came hand in hand with an awful body buzz and inreased body sensitivty which makes it nearly impossible to not think about racing heart rate unless fully enveloped in some activity I.E. music and video games or TV help relax and take mind off of body. This is very unsetling experience and without a strong mind could very easy scared ever loving shit out of someone with no significant drug experience. Novice probably think they are going to die, and I have to say the Physical affects can not be good, however it is a mildly physically uncomfortable experience MAGNIFIED by the HEad trip of thinking about it, like most halucanagens if you get in a negative thought pattern it WILL intensify the negative thoughts and feelings. However to make a long story short, I was startled by the OD affects but continued use with very fince notice to my doseing afterward. Most notable reaction to the near Overdoes was the sweety palms and feet wich is very distanct to me and people I have talked too but have never seen anyone else post. And now the BAD PART, lol yeah I know ODing wast the bad part. After heavy use for a prolonged period the Marijuana like high faded and I was mostly only accompanied by the bad body buzz and sweety palms and feet which lead me to discontinue use to lower my tolerance to be able to get the good high again, and as I did this I noticed VERY VERY VERY strong sighns of both physical and mental addiction, withdrawls in a nut shell, but not like weed, I have AWFUL physical withdrawls that made me dryheave for hours and hours on end, which lead me to an ER which gave me Gastritis which was easy fixed, which lead to what I disslike mlost of this and the reason why I will not continue to use. A couple days after I quit, I had what I can best describe as a flashback, I had not soked in days and all of the sudden i felt it come on, Heart raced and palms sweated for over an hour just out of the blue, very strange and unsettling. Next day same thing, convinced my self that I must have it built up in my body somehow. Then i think I figuerd it out, I do not smoke cigarettes. And i noticed since i stopped in the mornings when showering I woukld still caugh up some ugly looking brown flem. Body pretty much purging what was left in my lungs, wellllll in the shower the water vapor would loosen it and easily sicharge it from my body. However later in the day I felt a little flemmm or what ever in my chest and with instinct choughed untill it was looened and discharged from my body and i coughed up a little brown flem ball like in the shower.… howver 5 minutes after I coughed it up, i felt the rush again and began sweeting from palms and feet again. Put it all together, seems to me as I aggitate what “RESIN” is left in my body to cough it up kit gets reintroduced to my system. Soooo last couple days no more withdrawls however I am experienceing what is best described as flashbacks when ever i get a good cough. So thats my experience.… take it for what its worth.
Hi
I am feeling alot better. The depression is mostly gone and also the anxiety. I feel like myself again. I still worry about possible damage. The only real problem I have now is the constant eye floaters. I might have HPPD, I don’t know?
It’s almost a year now, since I last smoked the stuff. Is it true that you don’t notice the eye flaoters anymore? I am just worried that they wont go away. I know you say try and keep your mind of them; The only thing I can say is that they are persistant. I don’t have any other HPPD symptoms(moving objects, visual snow). I do notice the white blood cells in my eyes. Put it this way, I seem to notice all the natural eye phenomena within my eyes. I am asking for your help because you seem to understand. My my doctor knows shit and I don’t know anyone else to ask who had a similiar experience. I think I smopked more than you also, so it might take me longer to recover.
Thanks again!
Garret
I think I know what you mean, but I never really had them after I overdosed.…and if you smoked more than me you should just be happy you are still alive… but seriously, I am really high on these vitamins I’m taking. Mega Mens Multi vitamin fromm GNC.…I swear they have taken everything away! Its only been 2 months since for me!!! I wish you the best of luck man! Try not to stare at these “floaters”…if you can! Seems like you are paying to much attention to them.…Just gotta get it out of your head!
Garret I also see the eye floaters, but it’s only when I super tired or very anxious. Though for me I could see the eye floaters before I smoked spice if I really looked for them so I don’t think you have HPPD. The eye floaters don’t bother me as much as the head pains/sensations they are slowing driving me crazy. It’s very hard to describe the head sensations, but it almost feels like there is a lot of tension in my jaw area that goes all the way up the my temples. I have also noticed my memory isn’t as good as it was before and I feel like my IQ has dropped. Another thing that I have noticed is it seems like I can never get enough sleep and I am always tired no matter how long I sleep for. It has now been 35 days since I OD on the substance called “Cloud Ten” and though I do feel better I am not running at %100 like I was before. I keep holding out hope that it will get better and this experience had made me wiser about who I associate myself with.
Regretful User,
I feel EXACTLY the same way as far as my memory and mental capacity. It’s going on 10 weeks since I smoked a one hitter of “kush” and I feel like my mental capacity has been reduced significantly. I developed bad insmonia about 8 weeks ago which is not helping at all, I’ve been to numerous doctors and all they do is keep prescribing me more drugs. I’m really praying that things will get better, it’s really getting tough to deal with at work. All day I feel like I’m in a mental fog and can’t think clearly, it’s hard to start/finish tasks, speak logically, etc… Not good at all. I also notice some eye floaters when looking at white paper / in flourescent (office lighting). Looks like some of the symptoms are common.
Hi
I feel great. The eye floaters are just a pain in the ass, that’s all. It could take 2 – 5 years to clear. Or it could just lift overnite. These things happen to peolpe in life sometimes and you just get stronger from the experience. People have worse problems these people can movem mountains and even in rare cases change the world by chaning how they think within their enviroment. The problem can not be changed from the level you were on when you used the stuff. You need get onto a higher level to solve this problem. And this means a natual high which was really what you were looking for anyway to begin with. Why do you pray when you just have problems. Did you pray when all was well?
So today I started talking natural 5 HTP pills and I don’t know if its a placebo or not, but I actually felt better and had more energy. I am going to continue taking them and see how I feel in a week.
Well, I just got my last 20 grams of [vendor removed] “JWH-018″ since its getting banned on the 24th. Never had a problem with it, always smoke just a little. Gonna try out some of the new stuff just coming out because of the ban. Do what FEELS GOOD to you, peace!
I started with the original spice (gold, diamond) never had any problems. When spice blends 2.0 game out, with all the other RCs thats when I started to really notice the withdrawal symptoms and they got worse as my tolerance got higher and I had to purchase stronger blends (hello Judgement Day, Space Purple). I was in denial for awhile, thinking it wasnt the blends causing my increase in blood pressure, my anxiety, and profuse sweating and nervousness in social environments. Are there withdrawal symptoms? Yes, and actually I wouldnt even call them withdrawal symptoms. They are the desired effect you get when using that drug.
In the end. There’s a reason why it’s labeled NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. I have only myself to blame, as you guys do yourselves. Merry X-MAS
Yes you should have stopped when you noticed the withdraw symptoms. For me I did this one time not knowing what it really was since a friend had boughten it. I was thinking that since it was legal it was safe so I took one hit and immediately knew something was wrong. For me I still feel off in the head from that night which was 47 days and I have been trying everything to feel normal again. I pray to god that things will get better for me and I swear I will never touch another drug again.
I smoked spice like K2 summit at first, then tried mr spicey. It got expemsive so I started making my own. I started with Damiana and JWH-018. Then I added 073 using everclear method. next I added 081 and 250. In total I used for about 9 months.
I had quite a few panic attacks-feeling like dying and very conscious of respiratory changes while high. There were also some fun great times when I just relaxed from it.
Then came a day I drank some mixed drinks and smoked several hits of my strong blend. That night I ended up hours later after getting high in the hospital afraid I was having a heart attack. I checked out ok.
Then started a panic attack here and there even though I quit. Breathing in the high mountains became difficult.
I started having pains in my knees in the mornings and feeling crummy so I started seeing some medical help.
I had low Oxy at nite so they put me on oxy at night.
I’ve since had pulmonary checks, and evrything else. I am ok. No sleep apnea also.
I feel the bronchitis I had last winter and also smoking the jwh has done something to both the brain and lungs.
Come on people– you sure don’t know what will happen in the long run. Just bmy humble opinion so don’t get your feathers ruffled.
Okay Okay Okay.….….…So lets get all the facts first and foremost everybody’s body will react different to this shit!!!!! take it from me I know Its been in Arizona since 2005, Okay next thing is you must do alot of research before you smoke the shit.….….….….….….….….. you just cant say hey let me hit that. Knowledge people is KEY in this whole ordeal, make an educated decision its not for all people. Next you cannot! I SAY CANNOT!!!! MIX IT WITH ALCOHOL BAD MOVE. Headaches galore!!!! No ALCOHOL!!! again take it from me (Now I wish they would legalize marijuana federally and I hope this shit pushes them to do so.) Until then people all over will continue to smoke it as an alternative no matter how much you guys rant and rave its Bad. Its a profit boomer. Sorry!!!!! Next for all you idiots trying to overdose or taking ridiculous amounts of the JWH or taking it ORALLY any number that is I dont care 018, 081, 200, 073, 250 and so on you guys are IDIOTS AND DESERVE YOUR RESIDUAL effects come on 3g of pure Jwh Im sorry MR NICK for having such a good education you should have known what you were getting yourself into or you just could of made some1 else smoke it first. Next, half of these stories sound like bad acid trips were the hell are you guys getting your Jwh from is it pure have you tested it, do you have intelligent friends who can test, I have only used pure Jwh compounds and have never expierenced alot of these symptoms and I know im not a superman. I will say I have recently quit smoking it all. (Sorry for me yes I know!) But PLEASE PEOPLE RESEARCH IT FOR YOURSELF DONT TAKE ANOTHER MANS WORD FOR IT. With all these self righteous people how can you tell the truth from the fake. They sound like PR campaigns for politicians, Jwh got me threw probation with no additional fines from 2006 to 2010. But I was smart its a means to an end. YOU PEOPLE!!!!!!! (those offended by this statement) Cannot police everybody Ban the substance fine but until you legalize Marijuana!!! this WILL NOT STOP THIS IS WHAT WE CALL IN THE HOOD FOR SURE MONEY, MORE AND MORE COMPOUNDS WILL KEEP COMING OUT.….……In the end THERE IS NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF! THE HUMAN BODY IS FRAGILE TEMPLE HOW FRAGILE IS YOURS>?
hey guys. I would like to know how to make my own. I have been smoking this stuff for awhile but the price is killin me. I would like to know the best recipe. If you could break it down for me that would be awesome. Thanx!
You fuckers can engage in a game of cat and mouse with the scientists that manufacture synthetic cannabinoids or you can let it go and realize your beat. the bottom line is that the chemicals will continue to be altered from jwh018 to 073 to 200 and thousands of others. you dont have the money or the man power to keep up. instead of playing big brother to adults who enjoy the cannabis like high of spice and k2 without the legal repercussions of marijuana why not worry about taking care of your dumbass children that are “ODing” and the gas stations that are selling the shit to them?!
sort of agree Doom , seems alot of the bad stories might be negative propaganda, posted by the authorities , mine isn’t though !
just stick to weed .
Sorry smokey there is no perfect recipe you have to test and test and test which means you have to alot of friends. You have to find the perfect combo for you bro, its the only way to go. Find a reputable dealer and go from there, look it up its all over, spray methods, soak methods, I think thats the only 2 ways but Im sure you’ll find it.
I am an educated adult.…but apparently I slipped on the rational thinking. I will never touch this stuff again.…last night was the worst night of my life. I took 3 hits of Spice…the label said Erotic???? And I seriously thought I was going to DIE. I contemplated calling 911.
My symptoms were:
Severe anxiety (I am a VERY mellow person)
Heart racing
Skin cold
Severe double vision so bad that I could NOT control it
Feeling of doom
Puking my guts out…which I am convinced is the only thing
that saved me
Palpatations
Felt like I was paralyzed and couldnt move off the couch
Had to remind myself to breath.
People are really idiots to try this stuff…I will be the first to raise my idiot hand.
The federal govt has already legalized marijuana for medical use for veterans in states that have medical marijuana laws. They need to extend this to all 50 States and the territories as well. Then people won’t be consuming harmful chemicals going to hospitals like written here. Vaporizers make smoking marijuana easier for the lungs, and the FEDS should promote that, if they are truly sincere about their “concern” for the general welfare of the people. Otherwise, they are not, it’s about money, and only Armageddon will save us from them. Who is not sick and tired of doctors’ arrogance and control over medicine? Tyranny is when you can’t grow your own medicine, but you have to find it elsewhere because a law says so. Legalize cannabis/marijuana now.
Well I could of told you not smoke that EROTIC! Doesn’t sound to good to me buddy. Sounds like you had a salvia trip but im sure you new what you were smoking correct also were educated enough before you smoked it right. Ummmmm.….….You see I find fault in the first line of your response to what I said. It seems like you smoked some really good chronic after a 12 pack of hienies!!! Also how many people are out there just to rip you off and sell you some shit that aint even spice just because they now you’ll buy it based on the buzz its generated. I live in Arizona were its all legal at this point I wont sit here and advocate either one spice or marijuana but like I said earlier, Spice is an epidemic just like crack!!!!!!! Get over it and go back to weed!!!! Mark my words it will be legal soon EVERYWHERE!!!! AT LEAST MEDICALLY FOR THOSE THAT NEED IT.…IF THIS PREJUDICE ASS STATE CAN GET IT ALL YALL WILL TOO!!!.….…..HEMP FOR AMERICAN TRADE WOULD HELP BRING US OUTTA THIS DAMN DEPRESSION!!!! Damn I should be a politician!!!.…
I get your point DoomsDayer but I wasnt responding to anything you said.….I was just telling my story…
I wasnt even going to try it but my BF smoked it first out of the same pack and he was fine. I just figured how bad can it be if they sell it in the store to people?? I wasnt expecting to TRIP. I like pot and this was NOTHING like smoking reefer. I’m just sharing what it did to me…and no I wasnt drinking either. If different people get affected differently it cant be good.
You are correct…I hould have found out more about it before I put it in my body…I guess thats the point of me commenting here, maybe someone else will read it. Have a nice day and be careful!
I smoked a bowl of spark-30 almost 40 hours ago. I had never smoked weed in my life before. I am a 22 year-old college student. I started feeling the effects 5 minutes after smoking. after 15 minutes in I was in hell. I thought I was going to die. I know that it induced a severe panic attack. I am an extremely stable person, do great in school. it lasted for 2 – 3 hours and after 30 minutes (which felt like 3 hours) I started feeling “high” like everything was funny. I woke up the next morning thinking everything was going to be ok. That entire day I felt alright, even though I didn’t get much sleep. I still felt like i was under the influence, though. that night (last night) I felt extremely anxious to the point I couldn’t fall asleep. I got up and played xbox for a couple hours then fell back asleep and slept like a baby until 11am this morning. All day I have felt distant, like I’m almost outside my body. Emotions are pronounced. Good things are incredible, and negative things make me PARANOID. I am a very happy person and I am just extremely scared that this has permanently damaged my brain. I am trying to think positive. I am taking a few vitamins (which made me definitely feel much better for a while), I plan on taking that Mega men multi vitamin. I WILL NEVER DO THIS SHIT AGAIN. I smoked it because I didn’t want to do illegal weed. STUPID OF ME. please help me. I read all comments and the only positive ones seem like those who did herbal cleansing? Am i looking at permanent brain damage? I have no eye floaters, or headaches at all. though I still feel like food tastes incredible and music is still awesome like I was back on it somehow, even after almost 2 days. I am praying to God that this will pass and am taking it as a learning experience. For those who took the herbal cleansing or multi vitamin, are you sure you’re 100%? if you stop taking the vitamin do you feel the same distance/anxiety? Thank god for this forum, lots of scary posts but also some really positive, helpful, reassuring ones too. Oh and it really helps when I listen to soothing music, like it makes me feel at ease. Any advice or legitimate stories from someone who has FULLY recovered from similar symptoms caused by JWH-018 please let me know, and please tell me how long and what you did. Respects.
Hey Jasper , you’ll be fine . Read my posts . I don’t think its the drug but the extreme panic attack it induces in some people . I felt spaced out for a good few weeks and had anxiety for months after. Read up on how to deal with anxiety on the net , the drug has just set you in a bit of a loop.
I was a hard core smoker for years and this “drug” span me out so bad I haven’t smoked since , but I feel better now and more in touch with my body and mind than I ever have , so maybe it has done me good in the long term ! Good luck.