The Spice smoking mixture range has been one of the most popular “herbal” smokes ever, and now it’s no suprise why.
To get an idea of just how popular these mixtures are, just take a look at this data from Google’s keyword tool:
That’s over 37,000 searches a month for these three search terms alone — Spice is definitely a customer favourite. I also get no less than 500 emails a day from Russia asking if I can ship it there by the kilo. So what’s behind it all?
This paper [PDF; 246 kB] has some interesting things to say. It turns out that the Spice blends all contain JWH-018 as well as two compounds based on CP 47497 — all of them synthetic cannabinoids. These are man made chemicals designed to tickle the same receptors as THC, the active compound in cannabis, so it’s no wonder these smoking mixtures are so powerful. The difference in potency between the Spice blends appears to be accounted for by increasing levels of these CP 47497 homologues.
Since this discovery, Spice has been banned in several countries, including Austria and Germany. The BBC also reported on it and had the following to say:
The UK drugs regulator, the Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), is understood to have identified JWH018 in products available in the UK. It is currently in order to determine whether or not it should be classified as a medicinal product — which would mean it should only be available from a doctor.
The UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which advises the government on whether a drug should be made illegal, is also aware of the substance, and is investigating it.
The Spice manufacturers make no mention of these synthetics on their packaging, so a lot of herb-enthusiasts feel somewhat betrayed. Rightly so, I suppose — not being told just what you’re smoking exactly. People have the choice to put things in their body and some Spice smokers might make a different decision if they had all the facts in hand.
But, why?
The typical reaction to this news seems to be the disgust about putting any of these “unsafe” man-made compounds into their body, as though mother nature was some kind of safety net. “These plants have thousands of years of safe use”, they say! But let’s take a closer look…
Take Kratom, for instance. Kratom contains a powerful compound called mitragynine, which acts upon the opioid receptors; the same targets for opium and its derivatives. One alkaloid in kratom, although present in much smaller quantities, is 7-hydroxymitragynine, which is apparently 17x more potent than morphine! While I wouldn’t call this plant harmful, compared to other drugs like cocaine and heroin, it wouldn’t say it was harmless either. The opioid receptors are a dangerous set of receptors to be messing with — the mu subtype responsible for the classic euphoria that accompanies opiate use also stops you breathing if you tickle them too much. Opiates are also addictive, just like kratom can be if you take too much. While this plant may have seen thousands of years of responsible, moderate use, this is no reassurance at all towards its safety.
Now days, people generally don’t toil in the field every day that Newton sends — we have more free time and money to spend than ever before. We can now afford to use large quantities of kratom every day, as well as other entheogens from around the world, but we don’t have any information about this level of exposure to kratom itself or in combination with other stuff. For all we know, taking a mixture of kratom and Salvia divinorum daily could make your eyeballs explode after day 300, or chronic kratom use might give you some kind of evil superpower. Looking at paracetamol as a rather boring example, if you take the odd one every now and then, you’ll be fine, but if you take 8 pills a day every day for a year, you’ll likely end up with some serious condition. There’s also the fact that modern chemistry can create powerful extracts of these entheogens. Who’s to say they’re safe, just because they come from a plant? And what about any other drugs we might be on? Being on a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor like Prozac for depression isn’t uncommon in today’s society — combine them with the “perfectly safe” Banisteriopsis caapi vine, itself a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, and you have a potentially fatal combination of drugs in your system. I bet there are many more contraindications we haven’t even considered.
What about plants like cannabis and tobacco? They’ve also been used responsibly for thousands of years, but it’s only when so many people start to take these things that we realised “Actually, smoking is bad for us”. Besides, our current medical knowledge means we’ve only recently been able to diagnose these kind of things. I’m not sure I want to trust any data from a period when epilepsy might have been down to a demonic possession. How many adverse health effects could we identify in these ancient entheogen users based on what we know today?
So, while we can be uncertain of the long term effects on health of JWH-018 and friends, it seems we can’t actually be certain about the safety of most of the things we happily consume. Yes, they may turn out to be super toxic (although probably not, if they’re given to lab rats), but at least they only act on your cannabinoid receptors. Kratom tends to be prepared as a tea — once you’ve drunk it, you’ve drunk it. If you’ve taken too much, you’ll realise when its already in your blood. It would be much harder to overdose on these synthetics due to the speed at which they get in your system — if you’re too stoned, you won’t want to smoke any more, never mind being physically able to. The cannabinoid receptors they target are also much safter than the opioid targets of kratom. Cannabinoid receptors seem play a modulatory role, rather than being majorly important, so messing with them doesn’t have as drastic an effect. Smoking too much might make you feel a bit sick and dizzy for a while, but you certainly won’t stop breathing.
In all, I think Spice is in the wrong for not making this clear in the first place, but then I’m not suprised they didn’t want to list these compounds in the current political climate. Maybe when the government realises that it is our right to put things into our own bodies, listing these ingredients wouldn’t be an issue.
Even with this new information however, I’ll still be using the stuff. It’s great!
hey i was just wondering if uve herd of other products similar to spice but in my opinion way stronger such as aroma, illusion, puff, and i beleve a new 1 called ti hi or something is coming out i got a sample of it and it wz pretty extreme theese products r al sold in nz
Does anyone know a safe way to dilute jwh-018?
HI I’VE BEEN A USER OF THE .HERBAL BLENDS SUCH AS THE SPICE BLENDS UNTIL THEY WERE PULLED THEN I STARTED SMOKING A DIFFERENT BLEND CALLED MOJO AND FOUND IT WAS A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE SPICE BLEND,BUT IT WAS TO MUCH TO KEEP BUYING WEEKLY SO I WENT ON LINE TO PURCHASE THE DIFFERENT HERBS THEY LISTED AND WAS GOING TO MAKE MY OWN BLEND ‚BUT SOON FOUND OUT WITHOUT THE MAIN INGREDIENT WHICH WAS JWH 018. I WASN’T HITTING ON SQUAT. SO WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO AND HOW MUCH OF THIS CHEMICAL TO BLEND WITH A MIXTURE OF HERBS TO MAKE YOUR OWN SPICE BLEND. IT SOUNDS SCARY IN PURE FORM SO I’M WITH YOU J.D.….…… SO PLEASE IF ANY ONE KNOWS HOW TO MIX .….….HELP A POOR MAN STILL GET HIGH
This is not a game people. If you go into something haphazardly be warned no matter what it is. I did due diligence with regard to research and after testing a local blend…I decided to make my own spice. The pure form scares me a bit so Im not even going there. Im not here to judge anyone…but I find you must educate yourself first…Dont trust your friends…many people make the mistake to compare this with green…and approach it the same way. Dont make that mistake. This is powerful stuff and needs to be respected. I smoke a couple times a week and have not experienced anything but a mild hangover if I do it before bed…go easy..go small an sit with it for a while..Just be smart. My home blend is excellent and I infuse it with a lil pinapple and mint…smells like spice cake
so standradized, what did you use to cut the jwh-018?
Pure acetone. Acetone is nasty stuff but when evaporated off it leaves nothing behind. I have tried grain alcohol but you really have to massage the 18.. Im fine with acetone
So what kind of ratio works best? I’m in the process of making my own blend right now. Standardized how do you apply the mix to the herbs? I would like to get further details from someone like yourself who obviously has experience. Thanks!!
Im not going to get into that kind of detail here…For a beginner I recommend the first link :
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=make+your+OWN+spice!
Here is another very informed article on the subject.
http://www.kogged.com/2009/08/making-your-own-spice-blends/
Hi, When they say Spice Diamond may have side effects, do people mean temporary or long term? If they are side effects would most of them come under temporary?
I think I have sensations around right temple area. I have not smoked the stuff for almost 2 months
Thank You.
Hey, I just bought some jwh-018 and i was wondering what kind of dried plant leaves should i mix it with? Should i mix it with tobacco or what?
Adam Z — If you have not done that much basic research, you have no business mixing it yourself. Laziness does not match well with jwh-018. You can get the leaf ingredients of of ANY spice, zo-hai, diamond etc…package. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Playing amateur chemist will land you in the hospital.
This stuff will make you permanantly crosseyed with long term use.It also can lead to heart attacks,seisures,and strokes or anyeurisms.Dont be stupid,quit using this stuff before you end up retarded or dead.You will be sorry if you do not heed this warning.
Jim
MY HUSBAND HAD A GRAND MAUL SEIZURE WHILE SMOKING THIS STUFF AND HAS IS SO STUPID HE HAS SPENT 750 ON IT IN ONE MONTH.
Now, who is to say WHO will have a seizure and who wont? Hey you idiots, go for it. Smoke it till you fall over.
Im sorry that happened to your husband. What a terrible experience. It sounds like he became very obsessive and compulsive.
No disrespect but if I drank 750 dollars worth of Pepsi I might have some issues too. Sadly many people blame the substances for addiction.…rather than the individuals inability to moderate. He may need help.
well, i mixed 5 milligrams in with a black and mild, and got high. it felt like a weed high without the munchies or the heart pounding. i smoked about half of the black and was high for two hours, after i came off the high i was rejuvenated, not sleepy or drowsy at all.
THIS STUFF DESTROYS U!!!!!! believe me.… there are at least 1000+ people who have used this stuff daily for months and have noticed the side effects.… this stuff WILL fuc k u up… i am in the military and all sorts of spice is available in head shops right off base.… ive used this stuff for almost a year and it caught up with me.…. this stuff will fuck ur head up.… ive used basically every drug known to man!! i“m not gonna be that guy that says not to do it, but if ur browsing the web, looking to see if ur not the only one experiencing some horrible, life destructive side effects from this shit, take it from me… ive smoked spice DAILY for almost a year and this shit will fuck ur head up.… BAD.… DONT FUCKING DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about some details danas. You provide a scare but no reason why anyone one should be scared. So far it seems like the majority of people on this thread that have had problems. Have either poor moderation methods or weren’t ready for what they tried. What’s your reason for why it is so bad?
Hi
I have smoked a few legal smoke blends on and off over the last 8 months. Just a few hits here and there. I wont smoke this stuff again, I did’t like the high and negative effects I had while smoking it(pounding heart, paranoia). The only thing I am concerned about know is that I am becoming a hypochondriac from reading all the scare stories. If you took a pill and found out later that the pill had unknown side effects and nobody nows what this pill can cause because very little research was done, I am sure your mind would race. The shit has gone out system by now and I just say to myself that my mind is slowly healing. that’s why I think I have a little amount of anxiety. I do have fate in the human mind to heal. And I am glad used little of the stuff. After reading danas report, I just felt like scared and the anxiety started again. I would like to know what side effects do you have? And do notice any improvement?
I love the fact that this thread just keeps on growing and growing. I wonder if some of you ever smoked any real weed before you tried this stuff. I can tell you from experience that the real stuff will mess up your head and send you down a rabbit hole that you will pray that you will find your way out of. This chemical they are lacing these herbs with is like the top side of a hard high. At times it’s OK and you can cope with it pretty well. Other times, you better have a decent grip on your your arm rests cause you fixing to take a ride you may not have bargained for. That’s the reality of getting high.
As I have said, somewhere up above all this crap, people are lacing a “supposed incense” with a cannabinoid. Potheads smoke the stuff to get high. It’s legal and it does work. Since there is a disclaimer saying it is not for “human consumption” (Any of you ever blow shotguns to the cat or dog) they sneak under some sort of legal and FDA wire.
Basically this is not a toy for the (as Hendrix would put it” unexperienced. You can take a ride you are not well prepared for and go places you may not like being. If you have been there before “NATURALLY — with MJ” it’s not such a shock. If you have not. Caveat Emptor
I could go on and often do but for this post I am going to say one simple thing. It is the essence of hipocrisy to pretend to be something that you are not. Esse Quam Videri, or something like that. If this country, based on freedom for all, can not get above the hipocrisy (sp?) of allowing a product to be on the market that arremots to do what a far superior and even safer “KNOWN” product does then we are the victims of our own stupidity.
Legalize the stuff and get it over with.
This has been one of the more active and interesting threads I have read in a long time. Just want to say thanks for everyone who has taken time to share from whatever opinion or perspective. It occurs to me that if the “powers that be” would really do an honest and thorough clinical study based on just the very small bits of info posted here, we all could benefit. I believe that “public safety” is very important. But I also support “freedom of choice”. But, I do have one complaint. I have noticed a general and sometimes specific lack of effort from some individuals to take some responsibility when it comes to doing your homework. It really is a simple as “reading the label” of ingredients and then determining if it is in your best interests to consume. I am sorry as other have stated for people who have suffered serious problems. But, “HOLY SHIT” people. It is ‘NOT” to much to say that if you haven’t educated yourself or checked the contraindacations of the substance, then shame on you! Grow up and stop acting like a bunch of “You Tubers” out for a “cheap thrill”.
Hi
My eyes are fine thanks. I smoked good and bad hash in the past, also weed. I also smoked Spice Gold and a little of Spice Diamond. I could kind of handle this stuff. I have stopped smoking everything and also drinking.
The last stuff I took a few hits from was a smoking blend of maybe tow different types of legal highs. This was to strong for me and felt like a bad trip. I was just worried in case I damaged my mind. I ws reading all the scare stories and became a little hypochondriac, whats wrong with that? I am human.
Greetings everyone;
I am on probation which means no weed for me. I have not smoked weed in well over 30 days, and I won’t be able to for months. I was a daily smoker before this point.
Down in progressive Austin, the probation office was somewhat “OK” with marijuana smoking; whereas, it is evil, bad and wrong here in East TX. I am praying for a law change in my lifetime, and I can feel some momentum, but until then I am relocating to a very progressive state (or nation) i.e. West Coat, Canada…
I’m assuming all thc is out of my system at this point, because all of a sudden I am dying for a smoke. Some would scoff at this idea, but I am in tune with my body in that kind of way. I was fine before this point, but I am NOT going to smoke weed and get in trouble. Jail is not the place for me.
With that being said I am increasingly interested in Spice Blends, and hey it will give me an excuse to buy a new bond (just kidding, but really I will to avoid any contact with thc)
I have had MUCH experience with LSD and psychedelic mushrooms, as well as what I consider “bad drugs” including painkillers, anti-anxiety, binge drinking, coke and speed. From time to time I might eat a pain killer ONCE in a blue moon just because I enjoy the effects both physical and metaphysical. I am an artist/musician/writer, so just like Coltrane I know that painkillers can help you get through long sessions.
I am going to buy the Spice today, and take it lightly. I will post my report when I test the product.
I have smoked all kinds of weeds and I love my weed very dearly. Unfortunately for me I got a DWI and with that came probation. Now I can’t drink or do drugs. Luckily for me a buddy of mine introduced me to JWH-018 2 months ago and I can say this is truly a life saver for any weed enthusiasts out there that are unable to smoke weed( whether it’s due to a job, probation, military etc.) I have been smokin a blend called Ocean Breeze which is sold in my town for 30$ a gram. Yes I know that is ridiculously expensive compared to weed, you don’t need to inform me of this I already know. That’s just the price I have been paying to get legally high and not have to worry about going to jail. So in a way the money justifies not getting in trouble. Anyways back to the main point.
This stuff effects me very similarly like weed does. I smoke a chillum or 2 (depending on how high I feel like getting) and just go about like I would when I smoked weed. I have never had any scary moments like other people have mentioned above. Generally the people who have had bad experiences with it can be generalized in 2 common reasons.
1. People who have never experimented with weed or other drugs go out and try their first legal alternative and feel safer doing it because it is legal. So they go and smoke it expecting maybe that it is all fun and games. Then when they actually get the high they have never had before they get scared because it is something new to them causing them to panic and freak out (this reasoning is all in theory)
2. Other people who have done enough drugs to know what generally might happen to them if they smoke JWH-018 either go into it not doing their homework and basically OD on it, or are thinking “hey I am an experienced smoker I can smoke a bunch of this powder and be fine”. Which is NOT true and they OD as well.
(I feel this is the more common one to occur when people are talking about anxiety and panic attacks)
Also when people do go out and experiment with JWH-018 it seems like there are a lot of people going straight for the concentrated version of it and smoking it as a straight powder. Which can be alright when you know what you’re doing and do it in moderation (it takes a very tiny amount to give you a nice buzz), but most people seem to take too much of it.
I have been smoking the Ocean Breeze blend for the last 2 months and it is a combination of the JWH-018 over some form of safe herbal leaf you can smoke(I believe it is generally a 15mg JWH-018 per gram of leaf(don’t quote me on this though)). I get a very similar high that it comparable to a weed high. Obviously it isn’t THC though so the results aren’t quite the same. When I do smoke I say it takes about 2 — 10 minutes after smoking for the high to start, and with in 20 minutes I am usually hitting my peak, and usually lasts for anywhere from one to a few hours. For me in the very end when I am coming down I have noticed I get drowsy-ish. Also during my high it seems like I get a little more horny sometimes.
I go about all my daily life while I smoke this stuff but I guess I am use to doing everything daily with weed too so this is no difficult task for me. I go to my classes, work and function just fine. I love to kick back and smoke it just like weed and also enjoy my movies and video games as well.
I have never had a bad experience when it’s come to smoking jwh-018, no form of paranoia or anxiety, but I am only speaking for myself. Like I mentioned above though I don’t feel there is anything to be scared of if you go about this smart and do your homework on it before just taking it not knowing what to expect. It’s not rocket science just ease into it. Like I also stated above I believe that if it is going to be your first time smoking it go for a blend rather than the straight concentration of JWH-018, because it should not be taken lightly.
Also for anyone else who saw me saying I spend 30$ a gram on this stuff and thinks that is just outrageous, I agree with you. A gram typically lasts me 4 – 5 days tops. Fortunately I have come across a forum discussing how to mass produce your own blend with a combination of using safe smoke-able herbal leafs and the concentration of JWH-018. The blend when you are done making it can yield up to 75 Grams all for the price of around anywhere from 75 – 150$ I will let you do the math on how much you can save if you want this to be a regular commodity for you. As for the forum, just search engine “how to make your own spice” , and I think you can figure it out from there.
How long do synthetic cannabinoids stay in the human system? Can any one answer? I read somewhere that they are eliminated fast the body. Is this true?
I don’t know how long spice is in the system but if you’re worrying about it showing up in a drug test of any sort don’t. Me along with many other people are on probation and other instances that require drug testing…The beauty of spice is that it :
A. Isn’t illegal
B. Isn’t detected by drug tests.
Wow. Veryinteresting thread, indeed. I was just curious to see if anyone knows how this would compare to marinol, or synthetic THC…
And–
Are there any NATURAL plants out there that contain, in ANY amount/potentcy, any other cannibinoids, but still no THC ? I would be more interested in these ‘all natural’ approaches to the common sought after ‘HIGH’ … I, too, being another one who cannot imbibe THC for months because of the stupid ’ GOVERNMENT’ …
hoshblah:
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/images/drugs_of_concern/spice_jwh018.gif
(this is an image of the chemical makeup of jwh-018 on the left and thc on the right. Now, I am NO chemist lol; however, If you notice the left side of the jwh-018 you will see it is missing only one piece, then is reversed and doubled! Fascinating indeed!)
Mankind will find always find a way to be free…
Sean:
I PROMISE I will run a full-panel at home test on myself before I smoke spice and after, because I am curious about this myself.
I read that jwh-018 is not stored in fat cells and metabolizes out very quickly. I have read many people that smoked the day of probation tests and passed with flying colors.
However, the U.S. military is onto jwh in some way or another…
Ok I’m normally nice about things but everyone on here talking about how evil the stuff is need to pull their heads out of their asses.
You smoked 50mg of pure jwh-018 and had a bad reaction? Well no fucking surprise moron! Standard dose range is around 2-5mg and you blazed through 10 times that, probably in a single hit?
I smoked pure jwh-018 once and yes it was incredibly strong and nearly overwhelming but I kept my cool because I knew it wouldn’t hurt me.
You were simply surprised by the potency and had a panic reaction. The panic reaction resulted in a whole slew of negative effects that were simply a result of the pure panic.
All these types of effects can be had from weed, and it happens all the time. So Ms. “this is the devil” you need to think about what’s going on. Ya, you can smoke a pound of weed without having this effect… but how many people have smoked a pound’s worth of pure THC and had a great time? Very few I imagine considering high doses of THC are incredibly dysphoric and unpleasant.
Haven’t you heard about people having “psychotic episodes” with strong batches of brownies?
Thanks NotDumb. Well said for sure. Over medicating is reality, but flippin freakin out with panic n fear is the major cause of “psycho-babble” racing in the human mind.
I am old enough (58) to share a common attitude from a few generations ago. Simply, friends spent time together and supported each other when an “episode” would occur.
The term from that era was “MAINTAIN”. Of course this entails fore-thought and some education about what the possibilities might be while “becoming the lab rat”.
I don’t mean this to be a lecture. I just hope as new molecules and substances are created and evolve that the inventors would work together with legitamate “professional labs”.
OOPS !! What am I thinking? That would take a government and also a willingness of a community to really “have an inquiring mind”. I am retarded. My Bad.
hello to all,
i have been doing some extensive research on jwh-018 and specifically k2, spice blends, and especially serenity now. i am not an experienced user at all, but i had a VERY bad experience with serenity now (which does contain jwh-018 and lithium orotate, two of the active ingredients in the herbal blends), and I just want to give those of you with worries my input.
using these herbal blends, in my honest opinion, is a poor decision at best, because, unless you are an experienced user and know that it wont affect you negatively, you could end up damaging yourself for an extended period of time.
i smoked too much serenity now in one setting, had an extremely bad trip filled with paranoia and extreme anxiety because it felt as though i lost contact with everything. to make a long story short, i have never quite felt the same ever since i did that, and i know it definitely isnt still in my system (its been about a month since).
i do feel much better since then, because the panic is no longer present, and ive gotten help and information that leads me to believe that i should be fine in a matter of time. i’m not positive of this however, and i would warn everyone that you could be one of the unlucky people, like myself, that has long term side effects due to its misuse.
the paragraph above this might comfort some of the others with concerns about recovery stories. i truly do think you will get better, so try and enjoy life in the mean time. but STAY AWAY from this stuff, its really not good for you at all.
Thanks for reading!
Hi
I agree, I know I will be fine also. It’s the hypochondria that got me. Maybe it’s from reading the stories on the internet. I am seeking help right now, thank god. I did not use much of this stuff which is a plus, but it did have a negative effect on me. What side effects do you still have?
Hi
What kind of help and information did you receive? And how long does it take to recover?
Thanks.
Garret
Hi
Has anyone on this forum have negative side effects from using legal smokes and have they recovered 100% from them? I am a little worried about the way i am feeling. Thanks.
garret
For those of you who “don’t quite feel the same,“
you are probably experiencing ego death because you are tripping on jwh-018. It is not like weed — it is like ACID. you are reaching a plateau, and my friends you will always kind of be at that plateau. you are expanding your mind.
if you want to fix this, what i call a negative ‘trip cycle’ which repeats over and over every day and you don’t want to use jwh-018 — find some acid or shrooms and try to have a good trip.
when your brain filters are GONE you are very vulnerable because you can understand most everything …
hope this helps!!!
Ive been “researching” jwh-018 (google
for the past hour or so and i must say, smoking the pure powdered form looks and seems dangerous. I seen a few videos on youtube and all smokers looked like drug adicts. I have been smoking spice in moderation for the past few months and i frikin love it. Of course we all know there are poeple in this world who can turn any good thing into a bad thing.
I have never been a big smoker even with bud before i was on probation. and as long as you use this stuff in moderation there shouldnt be any harm done. Because i am a broke ass guy, i try to make 1g last throughout the week. So it usually lasts for about four days or so, then i take a break untl i can buy another $20 g. If anyone knows that its possible to buy this stuff by the bulk (1 pound or more) please let me know. I want to stock up before this stuff becomes illegal. which i hope it never does.
So if any of you were to ask me, i would say dont smoke it in its pure form and smoke the blend in moderation. This stuff is too expensive and potent to smoke in large amounts at one time. Oh and be stash with your stash, this stuff can disapear within the blink of an eye.
Please e-mail me with questions or answers. Jmendoza_357@yahoo.com
Pure jwh-018 Dosage 3 to 5 milligrams people! (smoking)1000mg in a gram, 1g = 200 to 333 doses.
If you just put a little on or in something and smoke it there is no wonder you are freaking out! Look at it like this.…. a few grains of salt can be 3 to 5 mg. Very easy to use to musc and get the freak out my heart is exploding paranoid high. Long live the bonsai !!!!
Hi
I still don’t feel 100% Does anyone know someone who recovered from this stuff? I hear a lot of people saying that they don’t feel themselves anymore. Can someone say something positive? I just need a little reassurance. I am sure they are a lot of people who feel the same. I am sure the mind can heal, people have been through a lot worse
Thanks.
Bob Dobbs
Garret,
with regard to side effects, i still feel kind of wobbly from time to time, as if i’m sort of off balance in my head, and if i stare at one thing for more than a couple seconds, the object will start to sway a little.
these effects are worst when I:
1. dont get much sleep at night (under 6 hours)
2. are dehydrated / haven’t eaten in a while
3. for some reason when i’m in a dimly lit room things are wierd?
anyway, don’t worry about the way that you feel. believe me i was in EXTREME panic for the first two weeks, because I was stressed from lying to my parents about it, I was reading scary stories in forums like this. just CHILLAX bro, its a lot easier to just accept that youre going to get better and you’ll probably feel this way for an indefinite amount of time.
and its not just gonna go away one morning, your gonna start feeling better gradually, like i am now.
hope this made you feel better.
and BEN, what do you mean when your brain filters are gone?
thanks!
and i received help from my psychologist, support from friends and family, all that shit helps. i’m also on Vivance, which is an ADD medication, and it actually helps me a LOT, because i feel much more in-control of myself.
not much info on jwh-018 though, if your still doing it, i suggest you stop.
Hi
Thanks for the help. I just dabbled with the legal smoke blends(Spice Gold, SmokeXXX, SmokePlus and a couple of others). I never bought a ful pack of any blend. It was always about 10euros worth from local head store. I used to roll a small joint with the stuff, mostly made from 1 cigarette paper, with tabaco. I would take a few hits from the small joints once in while. Most of the time I just felt mildly stoned and not freaked out. Most of the time I felt I was doing something wrong while smoking the stuff and through most of it down the toilet.(a synthetic stoned, plastic kind of feeling?)Once I got a blend from the head shop and took a few hits(4 – 5 pulls) from the stuff and it nearly me nuts. My heart was pounding and my body was shaking. I felt like shit. I suppose when I read the scare stories I gave the fear legs, so to speak. So now, I think positive. In fact, I cut out everything, drink, drugs, fags.
Thanks.
Everything happens for a reason.
Thank God I did not put a lot of this stuff in my system.
I hope people stay away from all this shit.
Good to know yer on the right track. but yea dude i felt and did the same thing. get good sleep and drink water periodically, youll feel better. and I hope some people reading can take away what we’ve said and maybe cut that shit too, cuz it really aint good.
Hello. I am typing to you while fresh out of the hospital courtesy of serenity now (only three hits.)
Heart palpitations over 130, shaking limbs and tremors.
1) I was an experienced drug user in the past (marijuana and also lsd) So this was not the result of my being a novice.
2) It was only the second time I had tried it and I took a VERY small amount (three hits.) So this cannot be blamed on smoking too much or too often.
This was not an imaginary head trip from me panicking because I didn’t feel panicked or paranoid at all. Until the racing heart and violent tremors kicked in.
Don’t take this shit. Just because it’s legal and herbal doesn’t make it safe.
There is no way to know if you will be the unlucky one to have this side effect– and you may smoke once or twice and be fine and the third time land in the hospital. It’s russian roulette, motherfucker.
If nothing else think of the ambulance and emergency room bill. Can you afford to pay?
I would also like to add I never, ever, had heart palpitations or tremors from weed or lsd– not even when I over smoked or had a bad trip.
If weed were LEGAL as it should be– NONE of this would have happened.
Hi
I agree, it’s all the same. Scumbags making money who don’t give a fuck about people. Not only people, plants, animals the envoirment, you name it. Only money. I would have been a lot happier if the product I bought in head shop was herbal and if I did’nt get stoned from it, so what. But these bastards have not even tested this stuff on humans. It was the worst experience of my life. If you like weed, stick to weed. If you want weed legalised, don’t go near headshops, you are only part of the problem. Scum of the earth. Did you read the above post about the talking about filters being damaged; this is a very sick person.
i’d have to agree with “fuck serenity now”. i’m still contemplating whether i should make a big deal about warning others about it. “Fuck serenity now”, did you have any lasting side effects after having been to the hospital?
Hi
First of all, I am very hard on myself for using these legal smokes. I am trying to change the way I am thinking. And reading scare reports does not help me. I am a little hypochondriac. I am mildyly depressed and I am sure the smokes caused it. Depression can cause blurred vision. I think I may have a slight blurred vision problem. All these problems could be caused by hypochondria(stress) and depression, so I need to think positive every day. It was the worst thing that happened me to me and also the best. I now stay away from all weed, fags, drink. I attend AA, which is great. Infact I could not enjoy weed anymore after useing this shit. It’s a spiritual high people are after; I need to get in touch with that side of me. Get over the illusion that your brain needs to be fixed from using this stuff and let your mind and body heal. No, I have never neen to hospital, just had a very bad experience with legal smokes.
Have you any side effects?
The guy talking about filters sounds like a damaged person who does not like the truth. I would use the word buffers instead of filters. He has many buffers in place to keep him using drugs and not accepting himself. He basicly does not like were he is in life and does not like himself.
Has your health improved since you stopped? Are you feeling better?
garret,
i’m pretty sure your blurred vision problems will go away. that is one side effect that i’ve heard some recover from. and are you having trouble sleeping at night because of the way you feel?
also does anyone else with side effects feel dissociated or depersonalization? this is the one thing i feel the most so far.
Hi
I can sleep well ok. I have not smoked anything in 3 months. I still think my vision is a little blurred, maybe from depression. I can read perfectly. For example, I worry when I see people coming towards me if they look a little blurred. Then again, I could be bringing all this stuff on myself due to worry and reading into things to much. How long did it take for your friends blurred vision to clear up? I do think I feel a tiny bit of depersonalization or then again it could just be worry. When you feel stressed your body can feel different. What did your friends say about depersonalization and feeling dissociated, did they say it would pass?
My main problem seems to be hypochondria. I don’t feel paranoid(people out to get).
Thanks.
The feelings you have will pass.
Garret
JWH-018 is a chemical plant fertilizer. I hate to tell all of you jwh smokers, but smoking synthetic chemicals is not good. Use common sense when putting stuff in your body. God made cannabis for us. Why change what is already working? If you have a drug test issue, buy some fake piss, or get a a friends clean piss and put it in a urinator or water weenie. heat up pee with disposable hand warmer and temperature strip. keep pee temp to body temp before submitting sample. For random testing keep fake urine. This method is much safer than smoking synthetic chemicals. No chemical is better than lighting up a big fat stinky purple kush spliff. If we’re gonna smoke fake weed, where will it stop? Are we gonna stop eating food and only take vitamins for nutrtion? Stay Herbal.