The Spice smoking mixture range has been one of the most popular “herbal” smokes ever, and now it’s no suprise why.
To get an idea of just how popular these mixtures are, just take a look at this data from Google’s keyword tool:
That’s over 37,000 searches a month for these three search terms alone – Spice is definitely a customer favourite. I also get no less than 500 emails a day from Russia asking if I can ship it there by the kilo. So what’s behind it all?
This paper [PDF; 246 kB] has some interesting things to say. It turns out that the Spice blends all contain JWH-018 as well as two compounds based on CP 47497 – all of them synthetic cannabinoids. These are man made chemicals designed to tickle the same receptors as THC, the active compound in cannabis, so it’s no wonder these smoking mixtures are so powerful. The difference in potency between the Spice blends appears to be accounted for by increasing levels of these CP 47497 homologues.
Since this discovery, Spice has been banned in several countries, including Austria and Germany. The BBC also reported on it and had the following to say:
The UK drugs regulator, the Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), is understood to have identified JWH018 in products available in the UK. It is currently in order to determine whether or not it should be classified as a medicinal product – which would mean it should only be available from a doctor.
The UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which advises the government on whether a drug should be made illegal, is also aware of the substance, and is investigating it.
The Spice manufacturers make no mention of these synthetics on their packaging, so a lot of herb-enthusiasts feel somewhat betrayed. Rightly so, I suppose – not being told just what you’re smoking exactly. People have the choice to put things in their body and some Spice smokers might make a different decision if they had all the facts in hand.
But, why?
The typical reaction to this news seems to be the disgust about putting any of these “unsafe” man-made compounds into their body, as though mother nature was some kind of safety net. “These plants have thousands of years of safe use”, they say! But let’s take a closer look…
Take Kratom, for instance. Kratom contains a powerful compound called mitragynine, which acts upon the opioid receptors; the same targets for opium and its derivatives. One alkaloid in kratom, although present in much smaller quantities, is 7-hydroxymitragynine, which is apparently 17x more potent than morphine! While I wouldn’t call this plant harmful, compared to other drugs like cocaine and heroin, it wouldn’t say it was harmless either. The opioid receptors are a dangerous set of receptors to be messing with – the mu subtype responsible for the classic euphoria that accompanies opiate use also stops you breathing if you tickle them too much. Opiates are also addictive, just like kratom can be if you take too much. While this plant may have seen thousands of years of responsible, moderate use, this is no reassurance at all towards its safety.
Now days, people generally don’t toil in the field every day that Newton sends – we have more free time and money to spend than ever before. We can now afford to use large quantities of kratom every day, as well as other entheogens from around the world, but we don’t have any information about this level of exposure to kratom itself or in combination with other stuff. For all we know, taking a mixture of kratom and Salvia divinorum daily could make your eyeballs explode after day 300, or chronic kratom use might give you some kind of evil superpower. Looking at paracetamol as a rather boring example, if you take the odd one every now and then, you’ll be fine, but if you take 8 pills a day every day for a year, you’ll likely end up with some serious condition. There’s also the fact that modern chemistry can create powerful extracts of these entheogens. Who’s to say they’re safe, just because they come from a plant? And what about any other drugs we might be on? Being on a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor like Prozac for depression isn’t uncommon in today’s society – combine them with the “perfectly safe” Banisteriopsis caapi vine, itself a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, and you have a potentially fatal combination of drugs in your system. I bet there are many more contraindications we haven’t even considered.
What about plants like cannabis and tobacco? They’ve also been used responsibly for thousands of years, but it’s only when so many people start to take these things that we realised “Actually, smoking is bad for us”. Besides, our current medical knowledge means we’ve only recently been able to diagnose these kind of things. I’m not sure I want to trust any data from a period when epilepsy might have been down to a demonic possession. How many adverse health effects could we identify in these ancient entheogen users based on what we know today?
So, while we can be uncertain of the long term effects on health of JWH-018 and friends, it seems we can’t actually be certain about the safety of most of the things we happily consume. Yes, they may turn out to be super toxic (although probably not, if they’re given to lab rats), but at least they only act on your cannabinoid receptors. Kratom tends to be prepared as a tea – once you’ve drunk it, you’ve drunk it. If you’ve taken too much, you’ll realise when its already in your blood. It would be much harder to overdose on these synthetics due to the speed at which they get in your system – if you’re too stoned, you won’t want to smoke any more, never mind being physically able to. The cannabinoid receptors they target are also much safter than the opioid targets of kratom. Cannabinoid receptors seem play a modulatory role, rather than being majorly important, so messing with them doesn’t have as drastic an effect. Smoking too much might make you feel a bit sick and dizzy for a while, but you certainly won’t stop breathing.
In all, I think Spice is in the wrong for not making this clear in the first place, but then I’m not suprised they didn’t want to list these compounds in the current political climate. Maybe when the government realises that it is our right to put things into our own bodies, listing these ingredients wouldn’t be an issue.
Even with this new information however, I’ll still be using the stuff. It’s great!
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Friday, 27. February 2009
I hope this is not spice sponsored post.
i’ve been using zohai heavily lately since it’s currently problematic to get marijuana.
so i am trying to find more info on heave usage effects.
Saturday, 28. February 2009
I wish it was a spice sponsored post.
If you find out anything interesting about Zohai, please report back. As it happens, that’s one product I’ll be adding to Coffeesh0p in the next few days.
Monday, 23. March 2009
I’ve been using about a 3g pouch of spice (mainly gold) every weekend for approx 18 months, before this i was a heavy cannabis user.
I changed to spice because i wanted to keep my job (random testing) and i have had no long term adverse effects.
Occasionally myself and my girlfriend will take a “week off” from it as you do get used to it, interesting that the male lab rats experienced more symptoms as i seem to get more wasted than the missus. (see jwh018 toxicology)
I will say that in the hours after using it other people tell me my speech is slurred, i get some proper mental red-eye and my balance and memory also seem adversly affected but these symptoms completely vanish after no more than 24 hours. I never “need” a hit of spice like i did with weed, i’ve never white-ied, and being honest i did used to get into some real states on weed but get to a certain point with spice where it doesn’t have a further effect, so i’m conscious to enjoy the experience. It doesn’t make me want to rob anyone, or beat someone up cos they looked at me wrong but alcohol is ok cos you can tax the hell out of it?
As for those who want to and are banning it, as Sheryl Crow sang: “….i bet they’ve never had a day of fun in their whole life…..” Get a life, and let me live mine how i want to.
Thanks for the info posted on this site, anything i can do feel free to e-mail.
Tuesday, 24. March 2009
Thanks for the info, Ron!
Sunday, 19. April 2009
I appreciate the posts and the information. It seems as though as we all try to escape the “obvious” illegal controlled substances and switch to naturally occuring plants to cooperate we just get more grief !!!
The powers that be will never be happy because
#1 they are afraid of personal freedoms,
#2 lack of government profit due to inability to tax,
#3 established pharmacology companies are at threat to lose immense profits,
#4 current economic conditions make it impossible for them to incarcerate anyone (more financial loss)
So it really comes down to an impasse
The powers that be are greedy and power hungry
The rest of us just want to live and provide for ourselves and families
Aloha
Tuesday, 5. May 2009
well, guys, sorry to burst your bubble but this stuf is extremely strong and possibly dangerous. Ive tried a blend on the internet that was only 10 dollars on the interent with free shipping. this was the most horrific experience in my life and wish I had never have eben tried it. It gave me the worst panic attacks ever. i couldnt eat, sleep,think right,i feel that the symptoms havent even gone away after 5 days! this is sum scary stuff right here. and its very easy to overdose. if you message me a ill tell you what i bought.
Friday, 8. May 2009
The thing is , the spice has different effect on different people. i’ve read alot obout this stuff, many say it’s great super and so on , others say it’s bad or they didn’t feel anything or got sick. So it’s only a matter of how your body responds to it and how you are mentaly when you smoke it, you can get paranoia or other suff or just laugh out of nothing for hours.
Wednesday, 13. May 2009
If you ever overdose on this stuff and you are not prepared for it, it may ruin your life forever.
I over dosed on jwh-018 on accident, this usually happens because your body takes a while to recognise it. you dont feel a thing so you decide to put more.
I feel like i fcked up my brain and my life, the side effects that i feel are compared to full blown depression. I really regret smoking this stuff. Im only 18 i shouldnt be feeling this way. My advise would be DONT EVEN TRY IT! you might end up feeling paranoia for the rest of your life. and if you decide to try it DONT OVERDOSED, WAIT A WHILE FOR THE EFFECTS TO ACURE.
Wednesday, 13. May 2009
Poor Lil’ Dee..
I have read both of your posts many times and am convinced you were looking for a cheap thrill.. I think you found it and are angry with yourself and no one else..
It is very unfortunate you have experienced some bad effects and I do sincerely hope you will realize that in time it will all be just a good experience that should lead you to a more mature approach to what you put in your body.
Please educate yourself. It is so easy now days over the internet where you easily obtained the product.
All entheogens should always be used in a thoughtful, intelligent manner, and only by responsible adults that are of sound mind and clear intent.
This is the way many different plants and substances have been used for thousands of years by our ancestors and treated with respect and a spiritual reverence to find a right of passage inward or outward.
“Let me live my life the way i want to.. Jimi Hendrix”.. he paid his price.. now he is really free.. but he wasn’t ignorant either.
It seems that you have learned a valuable insight about your mentala nd physical makeup.. so I would say you have given us all a reference point to decide about how to use a new substance.. tread slowly and learn.
Thanks for sharing Dee.
Wednesday, 13. May 2009
Dee, was your “Owe Dee” from pure JWH-018 or from that smoking blend you mentioned earlier?
What was the name of that blend? $10 seems pretty cheap for a synthetic smoking mix. Perhaps it contained poor quality chemicals, or a lot of JWH-018 and nothing else.
Saturday, 23. May 2009
It was from the blend. I cant tell you the blend on here… but im sure you can message me through email sychromium since you are the administrator.
ill tell you what happened. and all the other stuff.
but i cant post anything on the internet because im seeing doctors. they might see my typing.
Thursday, 16. July 2009
My husband smoke purke JWH-018 in white powder form tonight. He is very used to spice and decided to take it up a notch and smoke the pure JWH-018. The turn of events that took place after that were life changing for me and my children who were woken up by my husband flying into a total and complete psychotic episode. The only thing I can possibly try to compare it to is when you see a move with someone who OD’d on PCP and went psychotic and jumped off a building. He didn’t know who he was, fell down the stairs, smashed his head, he started shaking and twitching and moaning while he laid flat on his face…he would not let me move him. For 2 minutes, I thought he was dead. He was so psychotic with super stregnth that it took 5 paramedics to strap him and CUFF him to the girney. He thought he was going to jail…he had no idea what was ging on. He was taken away by parametics and scared the fucken shit out of all of us. I am a marijuana ADVOCATE and a lover of recreational drugs…THIS IS EVIL SHIT. THROW IT AWAY. I have no idea what the reisdual effects will be as I JUST came home from the hospital where I witnessed the strongest man I know lost total and all control of his mind and body. I AM BEGGING ALL OF YOU….THROW IT AWAY.
Thursday, 16. July 2009
#12 – Interesting comment.
Does he know how much he smoked? Only milligram quantities are required.
I think smoking Spice is a much safer option than smoking pure JWH-018. That’s probably why some people choose to dissolve their JWH-018 in something and then reapply it to some dried plant matter. That way, you can measure out a safe dose much more easily.
If you can give any more details about how much he took, or how he progresses in the next few weeks, I’m sure everyone would really appreciate it.
Thursday, 16. July 2009
the problem with JHW-018 is you really cant eyeball the dosage, a small increase from a normal dose can have a big difference in effect. if you are going to use it, get yourself a milligram scale (the same goes for many other ‘research chemicals’) or stick to the pre-prepared smoking or ‘incense’ blends, heh
what i found interesting about spice is that it worked orally – munching about 400mg gave me good effects. i wonder if it would be possible to take the jwh-018 sublingually…that would kick anyone in the arse i’m sure!
Thursday, 16. July 2009
He said maybe 40 or 50 miligrams…but if you smoked a pound of weed that would never happen. It is not the same. May you people never witness or experience what we went thru last night. WE ,(inlcuding our kids), almost lost our whole world last night…THROW IT AWAY.
Thursday, 16. July 2009
Jesus Christ!
An average dose of JWH-018 would be around 2-3 mg. 40-50 mg is an insane amount.
You get the point that weed is safer than the pure compound, but then, so are Spice and similar mixtures. You could never smoke a pound of that either.
It seems your husband was tragically misinformed. I think this is a lesson about doing your research if you intend to mess with chemicals that aren’t readily available in pure form, rather than staying away from it altogether. I’m sure a similar terrifying, yet non-lethal experience would be had if someone consumed 10x the usual dose of LSD.
Thursday, 16. July 2009
yo it’s me (the husband) back from the hospital and the next day after some good sleep and some food and fluids in my system. My wife was right about last night but you should not smoke pure jwh-018 especially the amount i did. I have done everything out there even one night of 20X LSD and this was WAY worse! Trust me just stay sane and buy the recommended blends at your local headshop or use something you trust and KNOW! Thanks to all that helped my wife with some answers last night. For those of you interested on this substance BEWARE you could DIE!! FOR REAL!! just be cool and stick to what you know. Be a chiller not a killer. Earth is not so bad, try to stick around a bit longer.
Thursday, 16. July 2009
Glad to hear you made it through to the other side!
If you ever feel like writing up a detailed experience report, I’m sure we’d all love to hear it.
Friday, 17. July 2009
Wow that one experiance could be a whole book! It was very very detailed and dramatic and at one point every thing in my entire life was flashing in my head at 5000 mph and I think the only thing from keeping me from death was my wife telling me to come back. I would go into more detail but I don’t have the time right now.
Thursday, 6. August 2009
jwh-018. I have for the last 3 months been looking into the
synthesis of 018.my friend managed to make a few grams of it and out of curiosity I tried 12 ml by chasing it on foil.
It was tasteless but left a slight aftertaste in my throat.
To be brief,after 10 minutes,nothing,15 minutes,nice buzz,
30 minutes.heavy stone,lasted over an hour. ( not very nice )heavy and trippy,felt a bit paranoid.The last hour was
very enjoyable (back to the nice buzz ) felt pretty mellow
until I fell asleep,next morning felt fine.
Think I took too much,4to5ml seems about right for me.
I used to smoke sensi but gave it up about 20 years ago, I
think my tolerance was low,all in all it was an interesting experience and 200 hits to the gram is good value but I have to admit,I prefer good weed.
( please do not ask for the synthesis,I got it on line for $31.00, it is accurate ) we won’t be making any more.
Friday, 7. August 2009
hey armin, were did you buy synthesis?
Friday, 7. August 2009
my friend is an organic chemist and keeps in touch with the
schulgin people. I had no knowlege of this product until the
government made threats to ban it a while back.I was curious to find out what all the fuss was about so I brought it to the attention of my friend.He searched the web and put in(jwh-018 proposed synthesis)and got some good info.He said the proposed synthesis was pretty close but he was,nt too sure about the Jones reagent.Huffman stated
that the synthesis was not difficult,he published his method
in one of the scientific journals(can,t remember the no. )
You should be able to find out with a bit of research,anyway
the cost was $31.00,he ordered it ,I paid for it.
All he produced was just over 3.5 grams,the end result was
a light yellow / orange solid oil,not perfect but it can be refined to white and it works.
remember,at this time,018 is legal,but for how long?good luck.
Thursday, 1. October 2009
was wondering how would you know if you are actually overdosing on 018, has similar experience with a smaller dose, symptoms included heart palpatations, numbness and tingling in left arm/ hand, just felt in general that i was going to have a heart attack, feedback would be great!!! thnxs
Saturday, 10. October 2009
For anyone who isnt already a mid – heavy cannabis user, it isnt really recommended to go near pure form ever, its far too easy to take too much, and there a few horror stories appearing on forums of folk ‘freaking out’ because of it, and this leading to upto 6 month of traumatic stress to overcome the experience.
I have personally taken upto 80mg of 018 & 073 each over a morning and lost the plot, but luckly from a lot of previous drug experience, managed to keep control the full on anxiety ridden, uncontrollable shaking, mind bending trip, which comes in waves, the waves get less you know your on your way out. Not recommended.
Be so carefull with these in pure form, the safe way is make your own mixes, easy to make, and a so much safer way to play.
keep up the good work Synchronium.
Sunday, 22. November 2009
so i smoke it like everyday my buddy gets it dirt cheap its a white powder everyone thinks is some crazy drug but its funny cuz it gets you geeeekeed. and possibly to trip if you smoke enough
Sunday, 22. November 2009
Ok.. so I had a similar experience last night as well… hear palpatating, severe anxiety… felt extremely jittery. I haven’t smoked bud in about a month because I am trying to get a better job.. so I bought some mojo from a friend and he gave me a free sample of this jwh-018 shit. It was in a white powder form, but I also had some small crystals in with the powder. I was told to put a little bit of 018 on top of the mojo and not smoke too much.
Me and my bf smoked some earlier in the night and then smoked more off the same bowl about 2-3 hours later once our initial buzz was gone. I don’t know how much 018 was in there, but it wasn’t that much – I didn’t think at least. It was maybe 2 or 3 little clumps on top.
We were fine earlier in the night, but the second time we smoked – I finished the bowl off so we could put it away. Well I smoked more than I probably needed, but being that I had smoked bud heavily in the past I didn’t think it was a big deal.
Plus the full effects didn’t hit me until about 20 mins later. It was extremely scary. I began shaking and having heart palpatations, and this horrible feeling of nervousness. My bf was perfectly fine though – just a little high. We decided to go outside to get some air, but it was freezing and damp outside so that made me shake even more. So we got in the car and just sat there with the heater on. I warmed up, but couldn’t stop my legs from trembling. The only thing that kind of calmed me down was listening to music and playing a game on my bf’s iphone.
Just as armin mentioned – it came in waves and eventually subsided. I was so freaked out that I couldn’t sleep last night though. I felt fine maybe about 2 hours later, but my body fought the sleep all night. I kept waking myself up.
This stuff is very scary – I recommend not using it. Is this normal? Can this powder actually kill you? And is it seriously legal???? Bc I didn’t know what I was getting myself into and now I am concerned that I screwed up my system for future drug tests.
Thanks for insight and answers!
Monday, 23. November 2009
Well, there are a lot of horror stories with this compound aren’t there? Mr and Mrs Skunk have been smoking pure JWH-018 for the last two weeks in lieu of cannabis. At first it was a bit intense, but they both got used to it. It is important to weigh this compound, as stated before the dose/response curve is very steep. Mrs Skunk tried to eyeball a dose once, and guess what happened… I guess the moral of this story is to be well informed about what you are putting in your body. You wouldn’t try to eyeball a dose of powdered alprazolam or fentanyl would you?
Tuesday, 24. November 2009
I hear you… I just honestly didn’t realize what it was. I had a friend who bought the stuff and gave me a small sample of the powder along with some mojo I bought. I thought it was a type of mix or just something he bought when he bought the insensce…. Had I known it was some random chemical – I would have at least read up on it more. I didn’t know how much was “too much” because I didn’t know what it was. Personally I don’t care to use it anymore, but… I would warn people against it as well or at least use with SEVERE caution. As you said Skunkjar, weight it out or use a VERY minute amount to start…. It was just really bad the reaction I had. MUUCH MUCH worse than a reaction you have from smoking too much marijuana. With marijuana -you may smoke so much to where you feel a little light headed, with a headache, and possibly a little nauseousness….. but with this stuff I thought I was going to have a heart attack and I was trembling so badly that I could feel my legs shaking. Plus my heart was pounding so hard that I could HEAR IT myself…. I could feel it pounding on my ribcage which caused me to hear it in my own head – very freaky and hard to describe. Plus I forgot to mention the shortness of breath. First the anxiety and heart pounding started, then I noticed that I had to make an effort to remember to breath. I would breath in and then not breath out or vise versa… It was really weird. So then that started to freak me out … it was just extremely intense.
Be careful!
I am still interested to read up more on this chemical or compound… are there any good sites with more basic info on this? Thanks!
Monday, 30. November 2009
shit i smoke about 5g of serenity a day and sometimes more for the past year and i have asthma and one day i smoked about 8g of serenity in about 2 hours and almost choked to death from smoking too much serenity but i was having slight asthma before i started smoking, but that was my only bad sign from it yet other than very slight withdrawls like not being able to move in mornings if i havent smoked yet
Thursday, 3. December 2009
In response to nick-
The fact is JWH-018 causes respiratory and cardiac depression, and a couple times Mr. Skunk could FEEL himself concentrating on breathing in order to not stop breathing. JWH-018 IS NOT cannabis and shouldn’t be treated as such. Please be careful all you SWIMMERS out there!
Sunday, 3. January 2010
The only way you can overdose on this is, well, wait, no you can’t overdose on these blends. This stuff is diluted about 100 times in the end product. You can buy JWH-018 in pure form, but you will probably overdose and come back to forums like these spreading falsehood. You fuckups are the reason governments worldwide follow the same standard as the puritan USA to auto-ban anything good.
Wednesday, 6. January 2010
I’ve been researching this subject for a short while (month or so) and have made some interesting observations.
1. If you have little or no experience with weed, be careful with this substance as being high is something that you may need experience with to deal with the psycho and physical changes you will experience.
2. People are different, you may be an easy stoner prone to paranoia or you may not be. I am prone. I have had similar anxiety attacks from serenity as have from weed.
3. Serenity kicks in faster and gets strong faster for me and the few others I have witnessed use it.
4. The anxiety reaction for me is usually not a problem if I drink a couple drinks of alcohol before I smoke. The same is true with weed, for me. Other’s I have seen do not have anxiety issues with either weed or Serenity.
5. I smoke serenity and would be extremely cautious of working with JWH-018 or any derivative due to the danger of getting too much too fast. This is a train you can not stop once you are on it. I feel for the fellow that hit 40+mg. That would have probably killed me. As I said, with booze to get me in the right frame of mind (calm and happy) the anxiety is too much for me even with just serenity. I get the shakes, the heart pounding in head, the need to remind myself to breath and then I must constantly remind myself that I’ve been there before and it will pass.
6. Being legal and unlookedfor in drug tests, I suspect this “legal” high will remain popular until the law bans it.
7. It ain’t real weed and I am convinced that the laws controlling weed are insane and hypocritical since other more deadly forms of getting a little are a lot high are still legal. Such as alcohol, tobacco, fatty foods, caffeine, chocolate and the tons of anti-depressant pills that doctors and TV ads push on the population every second of every day.
8. I am very concerned with the fact that serenity, spice or whatever is basically telling a lie when they do not disclose that JWH is an ingredient in the product. I have smoked a few vareities of the normal herbal smokes and I get higher off regular tobacco and caffeine. The lack of disclosure and the uncontrolled processes that they may use to lace the herbal smokes with JWH are potentially dangerous. One article I read said that spice contained as little as .2% and as high as 3% of JWH. Those extremes make it hard to say how high you are going to get per hit if the product. One batch may take you 5 or 6 hits and do little while another sample of the product could get you flying on just a couple hits. This is dangerous, especially to the inexperienced careless user.
9. More clenical research really needs to be done but that research alone would generate unwanted publicity which would focus the public eye and probably result in a comprehensive banning of the products that use it.
10. I am still not sure how the JWH is made and I plan to continue to research that. I am not a chemist but I make a mean buritto. I am concerned that the only places I have heard that I can buy JWH in the powder form is Mexico and China. Nothing against those countries but I where I am from we learned to be cautious of moonshine made with automobile radiators and without some degree of control, you have no idea how contaminated this stuff could be.
I have to give the Synchronium an applause for such a frank and open discussion on this subject. It is obvious we are dealing with a considerable degree of unknown here and shedding light on the subject is valuable. The forums I have read have also been very helpful.
Last thing I have to say is that if the world would just pop it’s head out of it’s hypocritcal arse and legalize pot, we could all just take a toke, laugh at how stupid we are and get on with making the world a more peaceful place.
Saturday, 9. January 2010
ever heard of serenity now?????? i was turned on to it by a friend and it was great.do u have any info on it and if not could u get it?i just want to know more
thanks
Friday, 15. January 2010
I smoke pepspice or similar brands a day and need to save money should i start buying jwh 018 and then making my own smoke would it be cheaper? let me kno peoplke and how should i do it
Friday, 15. January 2010
Dallas – simply put…NO. Playing amateur chemist with that chemical landed my husband in the hospital. If you can’t afford to smoke it …don’t….or cut back on something else. Mixing it your self can be lethal…that is probably why they do not disclose the ingredient on the package….the wrong amount is deadly…but not with weed and not with the pre-mixed brands….don’t get greedy…it is a huge huge mistake.
Monday, 18. January 2010
Hi
I smoked Spice Diamond in small amounts in the past. I still feel a little spaced out and my vision is blurred. Has anyone had these side effects and will they go away.
Thanks.
Garret
Wednesday, 20. January 2010
I have a friend who’s been using JWH-018 for about the past three months. He was a mid to heavy cannabis user prior to that, now I’m pretty sure he only smokes on occasion, maybe once every week or two. He’s come close to what I think an OD might feel like on the stuff about 3 times, but never had any true ODs. He would reach a point that if he didn’t walk around he thought he’s be sick and pass out. I myself have gotten close to that level but not quite. But we have at least 3 friends who weren’t heavy users like he was, who accidentally smoked large amounts and each of them got really sick. All on different occasions to the point where they rarely use it at all anymore. My friend who HASN’T actually gotten sick uses the JWH everyday though, and he usually does about 15mg now, since he’s built up a tolerance I guess. He does way more than the other guys did when they got sick, I was there on at least 2 of the occasions so I know that for sure. 3 hits knocked guy #1 down, 2 big hits guy #2, but my friend does 6-7 most times, at least three times what they did so I guess tolerance plays a big factor.
Thursday, 21. January 2010
Every once in a while i simply hit a hallf bowl of the serenity brand. At most once a day. This is how this JWH substance should be used if you are curious. In smaller doses it resembles the feeling similar to a marijuana buZZzz. Once you go overboard from what i’ve heard its gonna suck. Note that smoking anything especially synthetic substances are very bad for your respiratory system. That is why their packages say, “not for human consumption.” But i just did and i feel niiice. half a bowl people. serenity.
Friday, 22. January 2010
Hi
Has anyone, who has smoked spice diamond got any persisting side effects? For example blurred vision, depression. And have the side effects gone away for good?
Thanks.
It’s that I am a little worried in case I have done some damage. Any good recovery stories that might help me feel positive.
Sunday, 24. January 2010
In the past, SWIM was a heavy bud smoker but got popped so now has random UAs. For those considering using JWH-018 , SWIM recommends buying the blends first to see what you are getting yourself into. If you aren’t a chemist, or at least know how to use an ACCURATE scale, then you shouldn’t be messing about with the pure chemical.
If you haven’t ever tried real bud, SWIM says that JWH-018 is close to the effects, but definitely is not equal. Be smart about what you are putting into your body, SWIM has OD’ed before on other drugs and it is not cool. Start slow and know your limits! Remember that this is a new chemical that barely has any research behind it. The first article published about it was in 2005 meaning not even 5 years have gone by since the mainstream knew about it. At this point, we don’t know what the long term side effects are. Clinical tests have only been done on rats to my knowledge meaning that anyone who uses this chemical are playing the human guinea pig route.
Sunday, 31. January 2010
Hi
I think I have blurred vision from useing Spice Diamond. I am hopeing it is just my mind playing tricks on me. psyhcomatic I think the word is. Has anyone out there suffered from blurred vision from useing legal highs. Can you please share your story. I am hopeing to hear some postive stories were individual has had side effects depression, blurred vision) and these side effects have indeed gone away. I’m maybe a little depressed or stressed which could also cause it.
Thanks.
Garret
Sunday, 31. January 2010
Hey Garret, this is your third post so you are obviously concerned. I have never heard of anyone having lasting vision troubles from either pot or JWH. You may simply have a vision problem and you should go have your eyes checked. I expect if you do have a problem it is totally unrelated to the spice you smoked. I would not bother to mention the spice to the doctor, I doubt they would have a clue what you are talking about but you should have your eyes checked just to see if you have an unrelated vision problem.
Sunday, 31. January 2010
Garret – Does the blurred vision happen WHEN you smoke? If so….the answer is quite simple…quit…..those are your eyes dude. You do not need to ask any advice when it comes to risking your eyesight. Go to an eye doctor AND YOU SHOULD tell him about the spice….and if there is no problem he can find…quit.
Monday, 1. February 2010
Garret, the previous post actually gave you better advice than I did. No one really knows what this stuff does to you. Anyone that uses it is essentially a test subject. You could be a 1 in 1,000 that is affected in a certain way. Even still, I wouldn’t let that freak me out. My vision has sucked for years, I’m missing half my teeth, I have had an ear infection that could not be cured for years, ringing in the ears for just as long, skin cancers galore, blocked carotid that was reamed out few years ago, some other stuff that I’ll not bore you with and now I have prostate cancer that I am working on a battle with but none of that had anything to do with dope, weed, alcohol, JWH or anything else. It was just life. I was on the wagon for over 30 years and all of this happened during that time. No drugs, no alcohol, just the day in and out pressures of life. You just got to go to the doctor, find out whats wrong and do what they tell you to do. Thats all you can do. Don’t worry about it, just take care of the situation that presents itself and thank God that you have another day to make a difference.
Tuesday, 2. February 2010
Hi
I got up out of bed one morning after smoking spice and my vision was blurred and has been since. I think it is due to stress and depression. I got my eyes checked today and I do have a focus problem. I do think spice and some other legal smoke that I tried caused it. I should have not have touched the stuff. Bad, man made.
Tuesday, 2. February 2010
Garret, SWIM said his eyesight gets a bit blurry when he smokes Zohai (known to contain JWH-018) but this goes away after SWIM stops smoking it. SWIM thinks that you are not accustomed to effects from smoking marijuana which similarly bind to the CB receptors in your brain like the JWH chemicals do. From smoking either of these substances, known reactions include paranoia and depression.
It sounds like you have been researching a lot on stories related to the man made synthetics. I would venture to guess you *might* have been using during this time and the paranoia *might* have played into your thought process *perhaps* getting you to worry and believe further that you are losing your eyesight and getting depression.
I am not a psychologist, nor a physician, but my opinion on the matter is that you are getting too stressed and paranoid about the consequences of trying these synthetic chemicals and are playing into a hypochondriasis mindset. I would recommend to not use, not think about it, and try to relax. After a week or so, see if your outlook changes. Don’t divulge your mind in believing your are depressed etc, but remember and continue being the happy person you were.
You haven’t provided much information or insight on to the particulars of how long, how much and what other substances you have used, so my opinion could be way off base. You just come across as very stressed and worried in your writing (and frequency there-of) which is what I based my answer to you on. Again, I am not a doctor, and only a doctor can give you a qualified, credible diagnosis.
Like I said earlier, this is a new synthetic chemical that hasn’t really any major research behind it. Use at your own risk and obviously if you find it’s effects unpleasant, DON’T USE IT!!
Wednesday, 3. February 2010
Listen to “another random swimmer”. I was gonna say the exact same thing.
Sunday, 7. February 2010
Some added info on JWH-073 for those interested:
-It is mellower than JWH-018
-Not nearly as potent
-Smoking seems to be the best method
-Snorting is painful and burns
-Eating it is mild
-Seems to be closer to the effects of THC than JWH-018
-No reported cases of seizures (to my knowledge) like with JWH-018
-Doesn’t affect vision like JWH-018 can
-On a downside, it gave SWIM discomfort in his abdomen (mainly the kidney area, lower back, and intestine area). Along with that his urine was very very “frothy,” and in the morning after use, when blowing his nose he found his mucus was white compared to normally being clear. Not sure if these are just mild nuisances or something to be feared, but seeing as how it is a research chemical I would advise again frequent or long term use.
Wednesday, 10. February 2010
Hi
My vision was blurred for a few days after smoking it. Maybe because I felt very depressed due to be stressed out over the stuff. The herbal blend that I smoked was not Spice Diamond, it was some other blend. Th guy in the store was out of Spice Diamond at the time. The people who work in the store often mix the smoking blends and sell them in smaller quantities(10 euro per bag). So it was mixture of the other available blends. I could find no weed or hash that day so I called into the store and bought one of the mixtures. He thinks he is a chemist. Looking back, I should have not bought it. I keep kicking myself for buying the stuff. Anyway I took it home and took about 4-5 pulls from the stuff. Then I felt real bad, paranoid, the shakes and my heart started to beat real fast. Since then I have been very paranoid about my health. My vision seems fine now and I don’t feel depressed. I hope I have not done any damage. If I had an idea about the ingredients, I would have never have touched it. I taught it was herbal.
I smoked very small amounts of Spice Diamond and Smoke Plus. I would never finish a small roll of it(1/4 of a regular joint). Never again.
Monday, 15. February 2010
If you look into what herbal ingredients the blend has in it, individually, you will find that some of them in large doses were used by native americans in hallucinogenic rituals… In high dosages of certain herbs, .5 to 1.0g, can create a false reality or hallucination… But those of us who have dabbled in mind expanding drugs know, that smoking a half gram or whole gram of anything can put you down or can have an undesirable effect… Not to say some people enjoy extremely intense experiences on drugs, but most of us dont want to push it that far… I am glad to know that the gentleman who experienced the hospitalization for a couple evenings is ok and back to normal… With that being said the 18 yr old guy should understand that underlying mental health issues can arise around that age naturally but many times are spurred by the introduction of certain drugs… Depression is very common and more common in the teen and young adult years, so i dont know if it would be fair to make the assumption the blend you smoked made you depressed…
Monday, 15. February 2010
hey i was just wondering if uve herd of other products similar to spice but in my opinion way stronger such as aroma, illusion, puff, and i beleve a new 1 called ti hi or something is coming out i got a sample of it and it wz pretty extreme theese products r al sold in nz
Thursday, 18. February 2010
Does anyone know a safe way to dilute jwh-018?
Saturday, 20. February 2010
HI I’VE BEEN A USER OF THE .HERBAL BLENDS SUCH AS THE SPICE BLENDS UNTIL THEY WERE PULLED THEN I STARTED SMOKING A DIFFERENT BLEND CALLED MOJO AND FOUND IT WAS A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE SPICE BLEND,BUT IT WAS TO MUCH TO KEEP BUYING WEEKLY SO I WENT ON LINE TO PURCHASE THE DIFFERENT HERBS THEY LISTED AND WAS GOING TO MAKE MY OWN BLEND ,BUT SOON FOUND OUT WITHOUT THE MAIN INGREDIENT WHICH WAS JWH 018. I WASN’T HITTING ON SQUAT. SO WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO AND HOW MUCH OF THIS CHEMICAL TO BLEND WITH A MIXTURE OF HERBS TO MAKE YOUR OWN SPICE BLEND. IT SOUNDS SCARY IN PURE FORM SO I’M WITH YOU J.D……….. SO PLEASE IF ANY ONE KNOWS HOW TO MIX ………HELP A POOR MAN STILL GET HIGH
Tuesday, 23. February 2010
This is not a game people. If you go into something haphazardly be warned no matter what it is. I did due diligence with regard to research and after testing a local blend…I decided to make my own spice. The pure form scares me a bit so Im not even going there. Im not here to judge anyone…but I find you must educate yourself first…Dont trust your friends…many people make the mistake to compare this with green…and approach it the same way. Dont make that mistake. This is powerful stuff and needs to be respected. I smoke a couple times a week and have not experienced anything but a mild hangover if I do it before bed…go easy..go small an sit with it for a while..Just be smart. My home blend is excellent and I infuse it with a lil pinapple and mint…smells like spice cake
Wednesday, 24. February 2010
so standradized, what did you use to cut the jwh-018?
Wednesday, 24. February 2010
Pure acetone. Acetone is nasty stuff but when evaporated off it leaves nothing behind. I have tried grain alcohol but you really have to massage the 18.. Im fine with acetone
Thursday, 25. February 2010
So what kind of ratio works best? I’m in the process of making my own blend right now. Standardized how do you apply the mix to the herbs? I would like to get further details from someone like yourself who obviously has experience. Thanks!!
Thursday, 25. February 2010
Im not going to get into that kind of detail here…For a beginner I recommend the first link :
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=make+your+OWN+spice!
Friday, 26. February 2010
Here is another very informed article on the subject.
http://www.kogged.com/2009/08/making-your-own-spice-blends/
Tuesday, 2. March 2010
Hi, When they say Spice Diamond may have side effects, do people mean temporary or long term? If they are side effects would most of them come under temporary?
I think I have sensations around right temple area. I have not smoked the stuff for almost 2 months
Thank You.
Wednesday, 3. March 2010
Hey, I just bought some jwh-018 and i was wondering what kind of dried plant leaves should i mix it with? Should i mix it with tobacco or what?
Wednesday, 3. March 2010
Adam Z – If you have not done that much basic research, you have no business mixing it yourself. Laziness does not match well with jwh-018. You can get the leaf ingredients of of ANY spice, zo-hai, diamond etc…package. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Playing amateur chemist will land you in the hospital.
Thursday, 4. March 2010
This stuff will make you permanantly crosseyed with long term use.It also can lead to heart attacks,seisures,and strokes or anyeurisms.Dont be stupid,quit using this stuff before you end up retarded or dead.You will be sorry if you do not heed this warning.
Jim
Saturday, 6. March 2010
MY HUSBAND HAD A GRAND MAUL SEIZURE WHILE SMOKING THIS STUFF AND HAS IS SO STUPID HE HAS SPENT 750 ON IT IN ONE MONTH.
Now, who is to say WHO will have a seizure and who wont? Hey you idiots, go for it. Smoke it till you fall over.
Saturday, 6. March 2010
Im sorry that happened to your husband. What a terrible experience. It sounds like he became very obsessive and compulsive.
No disrespect but if I drank 750 dollars worth of Pepsi I might have some issues too. Sadly many people blame the substances for addiction….rather than the individuals inability to moderate. He may need help.
Sunday, 7. March 2010
well, i mixed 5 milligrams in with a black and mild, and got high. it felt like a weed high without the munchies or the heart pounding. i smoked about half of the black and was high for two hours, after i came off the high i was rejuvenated, not sleepy or drowsy at all.
Tuesday, 9. March 2010
THIS STUFF DESTROYS U!!!!!! believe me…. there are at least 1000+ people who have used this stuff daily for months and have noticed the side effects…. this stuff WILL fuc k u up… i am in the military and all sorts of spice is available in head shops right off base…. ive used this stuff for almost a year and it caught up with me….. this stuff will fuck ur head up…. ive used basically every drug known to man!! i”m not gonna be that guy that says not to do it, but if ur browsing the web, looking to see if ur not the only one experiencing some horrible, life destructive side effects from this shit, take it from me… ive smoked spice DAILY for almost a year and this shit will fuck ur head up…. BAD…. DONT FUCKING DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tuesday, 9. March 2010
How about some details danas. You provide a scare but no reason why anyone one should be scared. So far it seems like the majority of people on this thread that have had problems. Have either poor moderation methods or weren’t ready for what they tried. What’s your reason for why it is so bad?
Tuesday, 9. March 2010
Hi
I have smoked a few legal smoke blends on and off over the last 8 months. Just a few hits here and there. I wont smoke this stuff again, I did’t like the high and negative effects I had while smoking it(pounding heart, paranoia). The only thing I am concerned about know is that I am becoming a hypochondriac from reading all the scare stories. If you took a pill and found out later that the pill had unknown side effects and nobody nows what this pill can cause because very little research was done, I am sure your mind would race. The shit has gone out system by now and I just say to myself that my mind is slowly healing. that’s why I think I have a little amount of anxiety. I do have fate in the human mind to heal. And I am glad used little of the stuff. After reading danas report, I just felt like scared and the anxiety started again. I would like to know what side effects do you have? And do notice any improvement?
Wednesday, 10. March 2010
I love the fact that this thread just keeps on growing and growing. I wonder if some of you ever smoked any real weed before you tried this stuff. I can tell you from experience that the real stuff will mess up your head and send you down a rabbit hole that you will pray that you will find your way out of. This chemical they are lacing these herbs with is like the top side of a hard high. At times it’s OK and you can cope with it pretty well. Other times, you better have a decent grip on your your arm rests cause you fixing to take a ride you may not have bargained for. That’s the reality of getting high.
As I have said, somewhere up above all this crap, people are lacing a “supposed incense” with a cannabinoid. Potheads smoke the stuff to get high. It’s legal and it does work. Since there is a disclaimer saying it is not for “human consumption” (Any of you ever blow shotguns to the cat or dog) they sneak under some sort of legal and FDA wire.
Basically this is not a toy for the (as Hendrix would put it” unexperienced. You can take a ride you are not well prepared for and go places you may not like being. If you have been there before “NATURALLY – with MJ” it’s not such a shock. If you have not. Caveat Emptor
I could go on and often do but for this post I am going to say one simple thing. It is the essence of hipocrisy to pretend to be something that you are not. Esse Quam Videri, or something like that. If this country, based on freedom for all, can not get above the hipocrisy (sp?) of allowing a product to be on the market that arremots to do what a far superior and even safer “KNOWN” product does then we are the victims of our own stupidity.
Legalize the stuff and get it over with.
Wednesday, 10. March 2010
This has been one of the more active and interesting threads I have read in a long time. Just want to say thanks for everyone who has taken time to share from whatever opinion or perspective. It occurs to me that if the “powers that be” would really do an honest and thorough clinical study based on just the very small bits of info posted here, we all could benefit. I believe that “public safety” is very important. But I also support “freedom of choice”. But, I do have one complaint. I have noticed a general and sometimes specific lack of effort from some individuals to take some responsibility when it comes to doing your homework. It really is a simple as “reading the label” of ingredients and then determining if it is in your best interests to consume. I am sorry as other have stated for people who have suffered serious problems. But, “HOLY SHIT” people. It is ‘NOT” to much to say that if you haven’t educated yourself or checked the contraindacations of the substance, then shame on you! Grow up and stop acting like a bunch of “You Tubers” out for a “cheap thrill”.
Wednesday, 10. March 2010
Hi
My eyes are fine thanks. I smoked good and bad hash in the past, also weed. I also smoked Spice Gold and a little of Spice Diamond. I could kind of handle this stuff. I have stopped smoking everything and also drinking.
The last stuff I took a few hits from was a smoking blend of maybe tow different types of legal highs. This was to strong for me and felt like a bad trip. I was just worried in case I damaged my mind. I ws reading all the scare stories and became a little hypochondriac, whats wrong with that? I am human.
Wednesday, 10. March 2010
Greetings everyone;
I am on probation which means no weed for me. I have not smoked weed in well over 30 days, and I won’t be able to for months. I was a daily smoker before this point.
Down in progressive Austin, the probation office was somewhat “OK” with marijuana smoking; whereas, it is evil, bad and wrong here in East TX. I am praying for a law change in my lifetime, and I can feel some momentum, but until then I am relocating to a very progressive state (or nation) i.e. West Coat, Canada…
I’m assuming all thc is out of my system at this point, because all of a sudden I am dying for a smoke. Some would scoff at this idea, but I am in tune with my body in that kind of way. I was fine before this point, but I am NOT going to smoke weed and get in trouble. Jail is not the place for me.
With that being said I am increasingly interested in Spice Blends, and hey it will give me an excuse to buy a new bond (just kidding, but really I will to avoid any contact with thc)
I have had MUCH experience with LSD and psychedelic mushrooms, as well as what I consider “bad drugs” including painkillers, anti-anxiety, binge drinking, coke and speed. From time to time I might eat a pain killer ONCE in a blue moon just because I enjoy the effects both physical and metaphysical. I am an artist/musician/writer, so just like Coltrane I know that painkillers can help you get through long sessions.
I am going to buy the Spice today, and take it lightly. I will post my report when I test the product.
Wednesday, 10. March 2010
I have smoked all kinds of weeds and I love my weed very dearly. Unfortunately for me I got a DWI and with that came probation. Now I can’t drink or do drugs. Luckily for me a buddy of mine introduced me to JWH-018 2 months ago and I can say this is truly a life saver for any weed enthusiasts out there that are unable to smoke weed( whether it’s due to a job, probation, military etc.) I have been smokin a blend called Ocean Breeze which is sold in my town for 30$ a gram. Yes I know that is ridiculously expensive compared to weed, you don’t need to inform me of this I already know. That’s just the price I have been paying to get legally high and not have to worry about going to jail. So in a way the money justifies not getting in trouble. Anyways back to the main point.
This stuff effects me very similarly like weed does. I smoke a chillum or 2 (depending on how high I feel like getting) and just go about like I would when I smoked weed. I have never had any scary moments like other people have mentioned above. Generally the people who have had bad experiences with it can be generalized in 2 common reasons.
1. People who have never experimented with weed or other drugs go out and try their first legal alternative and feel safer doing it because it is legal. So they go and smoke it expecting maybe that it is all fun and games. Then when they actually get the high they have never had before they get scared because it is something new to them causing them to panic and freak out (this reasoning is all in theory)
2. Other people who have done enough drugs to know what generally might happen to them if they smoke JWH-018 either go into it not doing their homework and basically OD on it, or are thinking “hey I am an experienced smoker I can smoke a bunch of this powder and be fine”. Which is NOT true and they OD as well.
(I feel this is the more common one to occur when people are talking about anxiety and panic attacks)
Also when people do go out and experiment with JWH-018 it seems like there are a lot of people going straight for the concentrated version of it and smoking it as a straight powder. Which can be alright when you know what you’re doing and do it in moderation (it takes a very tiny amount to give you a nice buzz), but most people seem to take too much of it.
I have been smoking the Ocean Breeze blend for the last 2 months and it is a combination of the JWH-018 over some form of safe herbal leaf you can smoke(I believe it is generally a 15mg JWH-018 per gram of leaf(don’t quote me on this though)). I get a very similar high that it comparable to a weed high. Obviously it isn’t THC though so the results aren’t quite the same. When I do smoke I say it takes about 2 – 10 minutes after smoking for the high to start, and with in 20 minutes I am usually hitting my peak, and usually lasts for anywhere from one to a few hours. For me in the very end when I am coming down I have noticed I get drowsy-ish. Also during my high it seems like I get a little more horny sometimes.
I go about all my daily life while I smoke this stuff but I guess I am use to doing everything daily with weed too so this is no difficult task for me. I go to my classes, work and function just fine. I love to kick back and smoke it just like weed and also enjoy my movies and video games as well.
I have never had a bad experience when it’s come to smoking jwh-018, no form of paranoia or anxiety, but I am only speaking for myself. Like I mentioned above though I don’t feel there is anything to be scared of if you go about this smart and do your homework on it before just taking it not knowing what to expect. It’s not rocket science just ease into it. Like I also stated above I believe that if it is going to be your first time smoking it go for a blend rather than the straight concentration of JWH-018, because it should not be taken lightly.
Also for anyone else who saw me saying I spend 30$ a gram on this stuff and thinks that is just outrageous, I agree with you. A gram typically lasts me 4-5 days tops. Fortunately I have come across a forum discussing how to mass produce your own blend with a combination of using safe smoke-able herbal leafs and the concentration of JWH-018. The blend when you are done making it can yield up to 75 Grams all for the price of around anywhere from 75-150$ I will let you do the math on how much you can save if you want this to be a regular commodity for you. As for the forum, just search engine “how to make your own spice” , and I think you can figure it out from there.
Wednesday, 10. March 2010
How long do synthetic cannabinoids stay in the human system? Can any one answer? I read somewhere that they are eliminated fast the body. Is this true?
Wednesday, 10. March 2010
I don’t know how long spice is in the system but if you’re worrying about it showing up in a drug test of any sort don’t. Me along with many other people are on probation and other instances that require drug testing…The beauty of spice is that it :
A. Isn’t illegal
B. Isn’t detected by drug tests.
Thursday, 11. March 2010
Wow. Veryinteresting thread, indeed. I was just curious to see if anyone knows how this would compare to marinol, or synthetic THC…
And-
Are there any NATURAL plants out there that contain, in ANY amount/potentcy, any other cannibinoids, but still no THC ? I would be more interested in these ‘all natural’ approaches to the common sought after ‘HIGH’ … I, too, being another one who cannot imbibe THC for months because of the stupid ‘ GOVERNMENT’ …
Thursday, 11. March 2010
hoshblah:
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/images/drugs_of_concern/spice_jwh018.gif
(this is an image of the chemical makeup of jwh-018 on the left and thc on the right. Now, I am NO chemist lol; however, If you notice the left side of the jwh-018 you will see it is missing only one piece, then is reversed and doubled! Fascinating indeed!)
Mankind will find always find a way to be free…
Sean:
I PROMISE I will run a full-panel at home test on myself before I smoke spice and after, because I am curious about this myself.
I read that jwh-018 is not stored in fat cells and metabolizes out very quickly. I have read many people that smoked the day of probation tests and passed with flying colors.
However, the U.S. military is onto jwh in some way or another…
Saturday, 13. March 2010
Ok I’m normally nice about things but everyone on here talking about how evil the stuff is need to pull their heads out of their asses.
You smoked 50mg of pure jwh-018 and had a bad reaction? Well no fucking surprise moron! Standard dose range is around 2-5mg and you blazed through 10 times that, probably in a single hit?
I smoked pure jwh-018 once and yes it was incredibly strong and nearly overwhelming but I kept my cool because I knew it wouldn’t hurt me.
You were simply surprised by the potency and had a panic reaction. The panic reaction resulted in a whole slew of negative effects that were simply a result of the pure panic.
All these types of effects can be had from weed, and it happens all the time. So Ms. “this is the devil” you need to think about what’s going on. Ya, you can smoke a pound of weed without having this effect… but how many people have smoked a pound’s worth of pure THC and had a great time? Very few I imagine considering high doses of THC are incredibly dysphoric and unpleasant.
Haven’t you heard about people having “psychotic episodes” with strong batches of brownies?
Sunday, 14. March 2010
Thanks NotDumb. Well said for sure. Over medicating is reality, but flippin freakin out with panic n fear is the major cause of “psycho-babble” racing in the human mind.
I am old enough (58) to share a common attitude from a few generations ago. Simply, friends spent time together and supported each other when an “episode” would occur.
The term from that era was “MAINTAIN”. Of course this entails fore-thought and some education about what the possibilities might be while “becoming the lab rat”.
I don’t mean this to be a lecture. I just hope as new molecules and substances are created and evolve that the inventors would work together with legitamate “professional labs”.
OOPS !! What am I thinking? That would take a government and also a willingness of a community to really “have an inquiring mind”. I am retarded. My Bad.
Monday, 15. March 2010
hello to all,
i have been doing some extensive research on jwh-018 and specifically k2, spice blends, and especially serenity now. i am not an experienced user at all, but i had a VERY bad experience with serenity now (which does contain jwh-018 and lithium orotate, two of the active ingredients in the herbal blends), and I just want to give those of you with worries my input.
using these herbal blends, in my honest opinion, is a poor decision at best, because, unless you are an experienced user and know that it wont affect you negatively, you could end up damaging yourself for an extended period of time.
i smoked too much serenity now in one setting, had an extremely bad trip filled with paranoia and extreme anxiety because it felt as though i lost contact with everything. to make a long story short, i have never quite felt the same ever since i did that, and i know it definitely isnt still in my system (its been about a month since).
i do feel much better since then, because the panic is no longer present, and ive gotten help and information that leads me to believe that i should be fine in a matter of time. i’m not positive of this however, and i would warn everyone that you could be one of the unlucky people, like myself, that has long term side effects due to its misuse.
the paragraph above this might comfort some of the others with concerns about recovery stories. i truly do think you will get better, so try and enjoy life in the mean time. but STAY AWAY from this stuff, its really not good for you at all.
Thanks for reading!
Monday, 15. March 2010
Hi
I agree, I know I will be fine also. It’s the hypochondria that got me. Maybe it’s from reading the stories on the internet. I am seeking help right now, thank god. I did not use much of this stuff which is a plus, but it did have a negative effect on me. What side effects do you still have?
Monday, 15. March 2010
Hi
What kind of help and information did you receive? And how long does it take to recover?
Thanks.
Garret
Monday, 15. March 2010
Hi
Has anyone on this forum have negative side effects from using legal smokes and have they recovered 100% from them? I am a little worried about the way i am feeling. Thanks.
garret
Monday, 15. March 2010
For those of you who “don’t quite feel the same,”
you are probably experiencing ego death because you are tripping on jwh-018. It is not like weed – it is like ACID. you are reaching a plateau, and my friends you will always kind of be at that plateau. you are expanding your mind.
if you want to fix this, what i call a negative ‘trip cycle’ which repeats over and over every day and you don’t want to use jwh-018 – find some acid or shrooms and try to have a good trip.
when your brain filters are GONE you are very vulnerable because you can understand most everything …
hope this helps!!!
Tuesday, 16. March 2010
Ive been “researching” jwh-018 (google
for the past hour or so and i must say, smoking the pure powdered form looks and seems dangerous. I seen a few videos on youtube and all smokers looked like drug adicts. I have been smoking spice in moderation for the past few months and i frikin love it. Of course we all know there are poeple in this world who can turn any good thing into a bad thing.
I have never been a big smoker even with bud before i was on probation. and as long as you use this stuff in moderation there shouldnt be any harm done. Because i am a broke ass guy, i try to make 1g last throughout the week. So it usually lasts for about four days or so, then i take a break untl i can buy another $20 g. If anyone knows that its possible to buy this stuff by the bulk (1 pound or more) please let me know. I want to stock up before this stuff becomes illegal. which i hope it never does.
So if any of you were to ask me, i would say dont smoke it in its pure form and smoke the blend in moderation. This stuff is too expensive and potent to smoke in large amounts at one time. Oh and be stash with your stash, this stuff can disapear within the blink of an eye.
Please e-mail me with questions or answers. Jmendoza_357@yahoo.com
Tuesday, 16. March 2010
Pure jwh-018 Dosage 3 to 5 milligrams people! (smoking)1000mg in a gram, 1g = 200 to 333 doses.
If you just put a little on or in something and smoke it there is no wonder you are freaking out! Look at it like this….. a few grains of salt can be 3 to 5 mg. Very easy to use to musc and get the freak out my heart is exploding paranoid high. Long live the bonsai !!!!
Tuesday, 16. March 2010
Hi
I still don’t feel 100% Does anyone know someone who recovered from this stuff? I hear a lot of people saying that they don’t feel themselves anymore. Can someone say something positive? I just need a little reassurance. I am sure they are a lot of people who feel the same. I am sure the mind can heal, people have been through a lot worse
Thanks.
Bob Dobbs
Tuesday, 16. March 2010
Garret,
with regard to side effects, i still feel kind of wobbly from time to time, as if i’m sort of off balance in my head, and if i stare at one thing for more than a couple seconds, the object will start to sway a little.
these effects are worst when I:
1. dont get much sleep at night (under 6 hours)
2. are dehydrated / haven’t eaten in a while
3. for some reason when i’m in a dimly lit room things are wierd?
anyway, don’t worry about the way that you feel. believe me i was in EXTREME panic for the first two weeks, because I was stressed from lying to my parents about it, I was reading scary stories in forums like this. just CHILLAX bro, its a lot easier to just accept that youre going to get better and you’ll probably feel this way for an indefinite amount of time.
and its not just gonna go away one morning, your gonna start feeling better gradually, like i am now.
hope this made you feel better.
and BEN, what do you mean when your brain filters are gone?
thanks!
Tuesday, 16. March 2010
and i received help from my psychologist, support from friends and family, all that shit helps. i’m also on Vivance, which is an ADD medication, and it actually helps me a LOT, because i feel much more in-control of myself.
not much info on jwh-018 though, if your still doing it, i suggest you stop.
Tuesday, 16. March 2010
Hi
Thanks for the help. I just dabbled with the legal smoke blends(Spice Gold, SmokeXXX, SmokePlus and a couple of others). I never bought a ful pack of any blend. It was always about 10euros worth from local head store. I used to roll a small joint with the stuff, mostly made from 1 cigarette paper, with tabaco. I would take a few hits from the small joints once in while. Most of the time I just felt mildly stoned and not freaked out. Most of the time I felt I was doing something wrong while smoking the stuff and through most of it down the toilet.(a synthetic stoned, plastic kind of feeling?)Once I got a blend from the head shop and took a few hits(4-5 pulls) from the stuff and it nearly me nuts. My heart was pounding and my body was shaking. I felt like shit. I suppose when I read the scare stories I gave the fear legs, so to speak. So now, I think positive. In fact, I cut out everything, drink, drugs, fags.
Thanks.
Everything happens for a reason.
Thank God I did not put a lot of this stuff in my system.
I hope people stay away from all this shit.
Wednesday, 17. March 2010
Good to know yer on the right track. but yea dude i felt and did the same thing. get good sleep and drink water periodically, youll feel better. and I hope some people reading can take away what we’ve said and maybe cut that shit too, cuz it really aint good.