The Spice smoking mixture range has been one of the most popular “herbal” smokes ever, and now it’s no suprise why.
To get an idea of just how popular these mixtures are, just take a look at this data from Google’s keyword tool:
That’s over 37,000 searches a month for these three search terms alone – Spice is definitely a customer favourite. I also get no less than 500 emails a day from Russia asking if I can ship it there by the kilo. So what’s behind it all?
This paper [PDF; 246 kB] has some interesting things to say. It turns out that the Spice blends all contain JWH-018 as well as two compounds based on CP 47497 – all of them synthetic cannabinoids. These are man made chemicals designed to tickle the same receptors as THC, the active compound in cannabis, so it’s no wonder these smoking mixtures are so powerful. The difference in potency between the Spice blends appears to be accounted for by increasing levels of these CP 47497 homologues.
Since this discovery, Spice has been banned in several countries, including Austria and Germany. The BBC also reported on it and had the following to say:
The UK drugs regulator, the Medicine and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA), is understood to have identified JWH018 in products available in the UK. It is currently in order to determine whether or not it should be classified as a medicinal product – which would mean it should only be available from a doctor.
The UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, which advises the government on whether a drug should be made illegal, is also aware of the substance, and is investigating it.
The Spice manufacturers make no mention of these synthetics on their packaging, so a lot of herb-enthusiasts feel somewhat betrayed. Rightly so, I suppose – not being told just what you’re smoking exactly. People have the choice to put things in their body and some Spice smokers might make a different decision if they had all the facts in hand.
But, why?
The typical reaction to this news seems to be the disgust about putting any of these “unsafe” man-made compounds into their body, as though mother nature was some kind of safety net. “These plants have thousands of years of safe use”, they say! But let’s take a closer look…
Take Kratom, for instance. Kratom contains a powerful compound called mitragynine, which acts upon the opioid receptors; the same targets for opium and its derivatives. One alkaloid in kratom, although present in much smaller quantities, is 7-hydroxymitragynine, which is apparently 17x more potent than morphine! While I wouldn’t call this plant harmful, compared to other drugs like cocaine and heroin, it wouldn’t say it was harmless either. The opioid receptors are a dangerous set of receptors to be messing with – the mu subtype responsible for the classic euphoria that accompanies opiate use also stops you breathing if you tickle them too much. Opiates are also addictive, just like kratom can be if you take too much. While this plant may have seen thousands of years of responsible, moderate use, this is no reassurance at all towards its safety.
Now days, people generally don’t toil in the field every day that Newton sends – we have more free time and money to spend than ever before. We can now afford to use large quantities of kratom every day, as well as other entheogens from around the world, but we don’t have any information about this level of exposure to kratom itself or in combination with other stuff. For all we know, taking a mixture of kratom and Salvia divinorum daily could make your eyeballs explode after day 300, or chronic kratom use might give you some kind of evil superpower. Looking at paracetamol as a rather boring example, if you take the odd one every now and then, you’ll be fine, but if you take 8 pills a day every day for a year, you’ll likely end up with some serious condition. There’s also the fact that modern chemistry can create powerful extracts of these entheogens. Who’s to say they’re safe, just because they come from a plant? And what about any other drugs we might be on? Being on a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor like Prozac for depression isn’t uncommon in today’s society – combine them with the “perfectly safe” Banisteriopsis caapi vine, itself a monoamine oxidase inhibitor, and you have a potentially fatal combination of drugs in your system. I bet there are many more contraindications we haven’t even considered.
What about plants like cannabis and tobacco? They’ve also been used responsibly for thousands of years, but it’s only when so many people start to take these things that we realised “Actually, smoking is bad for us”. Besides, our current medical knowledge means we’ve only recently been able to diagnose these kind of things. I’m not sure I want to trust any data from a period when epilepsy might have been down to a demonic possession. How many adverse health effects could we identify in these ancient entheogen users based on what we know today?
So, while we can be uncertain of the long term effects on health of JWH-018 and friends, it seems we can’t actually be certain about the safety of most of the things we happily consume. Yes, they may turn out to be super toxic (although probably not, if they’re given to lab rats), but at least they only act on your cannabinoid receptors. Kratom tends to be prepared as a tea – once you’ve drunk it, you’ve drunk it. If you’ve taken too much, you’ll realise when its already in your blood. It would be much harder to overdose on these synthetics due to the speed at which they get in your system – if you’re too stoned, you won’t want to smoke any more, never mind being physically able to. The cannabinoid receptors they target are also much safter than the opioid targets of kratom. Cannabinoid receptors seem play a modulatory role, rather than being majorly important, so messing with them doesn’t have as drastic an effect. Smoking too much might make you feel a bit sick and dizzy for a while, but you certainly won’t stop breathing.
In all, I think Spice is in the wrong for not making this clear in the first place, but then I’m not suprised they didn’t want to list these compounds in the current political climate. Maybe when the government realises that it is our right to put things into our own bodies, listing these ingredients wouldn’t be an issue.
Even with this new information however, I’ll still be using the stuff. It’s great!
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I hope this is not spice sponsored post.
i’ve been using zohai heavily lately since it’s currently problematic to get marijuana.
so i am trying to find more info on heave usage effects.
I wish it was a spice sponsored post.
If you find out anything interesting about Zohai, please report back. As it happens, that’s one product I’ll be adding to Coffeesh0p in the next few days.
I’ve been using about a 3g pouch of spice (mainly gold) every weekend for approx 18 months, before this i was a heavy cannabis user.
I changed to spice because i wanted to keep my job (random testing) and i have had no long term adverse effects.
Occasionally myself and my girlfriend will take a “week off” from it as you do get used to it, interesting that the male lab rats experienced more symptoms as i seem to get more wasted than the missus. (see jwh018 toxicology)
I will say that in the hours after using it other people tell me my speech is slurred, i get some proper mental red-eye and my balance and memory also seem adversly affected but these symptoms completely vanish after no more than 24 hours. I never “need” a hit of spice like i did with weed, i’ve never white-ied, and being honest i did used to get into some real states on weed but get to a certain point with spice where it doesn’t have a further effect, so i’m conscious to enjoy the experience. It doesn’t make me want to rob anyone, or beat someone up cos they looked at me wrong but alcohol is ok cos you can tax the hell out of it?
As for those who want to and are banning it, as Sheryl Crow sang: “….i bet they’ve never had a day of fun in their whole life…..” Get a life, and let me live mine how i want to.
Thanks for the info posted on this site, anything i can do feel free to e-mail.
Thanks for the info, Ron!
I appreciate the posts and the information. It seems as though as we all try to escape the “obvious” illegal controlled substances and switch to naturally occuring plants to cooperate we just get more grief !!!
The powers that be will never be happy because
#1 they are afraid of personal freedoms,
#2 lack of government profit due to inability to tax,
#3 established pharmacology companies are at threat to lose immense profits,
#4 current economic conditions make it impossible for them to incarcerate anyone (more financial loss)
So it really comes down to an impasse
The powers that be are greedy and power hungry
The rest of us just want to live and provide for ourselves and families
Aloha
well, guys, sorry to burst your bubble but this stuf is extremely strong and possibly dangerous. Ive tried a blend on the internet that was only 10 dollars on the interent with free shipping. this was the most horrific experience in my life and wish I had never have eben tried it. It gave me the worst panic attacks ever. i couldnt eat, sleep,think right,i feel that the symptoms havent even gone away after 5 days! this is sum scary stuff right here. and its very easy to overdose. if you message me a ill tell you what i bought.
The thing is , the spice has different effect on different people. i’ve read alot obout this stuff, many say it’s great super and so on , others say it’s bad or they didn’t feel anything or got sick. So it’s only a matter of how your body responds to it and how you are mentaly when you smoke it, you can get paranoia or other suff or just laugh out of nothing for hours.
If you ever overdose on this stuff and you are not prepared for it, it may ruin your life forever.
I over dosed on jwh-018 on accident, this usually happens because your body takes a while to recognise it. you dont feel a thing so you decide to put more.
I feel like i fcked up my brain and my life, the side effects that i feel are compared to full blown depression. I really regret smoking this stuff. Im only 18 i shouldnt be feeling this way. My advise would be DONT EVEN TRY IT! you might end up feeling paranoia for the rest of your life. and if you decide to try it DONT OVERDOSED, WAIT A WHILE FOR THE EFFECTS TO ACURE.
Poor Lil’ Dee..
I have read both of your posts many times and am convinced you were looking for a cheap thrill.. I think you found it and are angry with yourself and no one else..
It is very unfortunate you have experienced some bad effects and I do sincerely hope you will realize that in time it will all be just a good experience that should lead you to a more mature approach to what you put in your body.
Please educate yourself. It is so easy now days over the internet where you easily obtained the product.
All entheogens should always be used in a thoughtful, intelligent manner, and only by responsible adults that are of sound mind and clear intent.
This is the way many different plants and substances have been used for thousands of years by our ancestors and treated with respect and a spiritual reverence to find a right of passage inward or outward.
“Let me live my life the way i want to.. Jimi Hendrix”.. he paid his price.. now he is really free.. but he wasn’t ignorant either.
It seems that you have learned a valuable insight about your mentala nd physical makeup.. so I would say you have given us all a reference point to decide about how to use a new substance.. tread slowly and learn.
Thanks for sharing Dee.
Dee, was your “Owe Dee” from pure JWH-018 or from that smoking blend you mentioned earlier?
What was the name of that blend? $10 seems pretty cheap for a synthetic smoking mix. Perhaps it contained poor quality chemicals, or a lot of JWH-018 and nothing else.
It was from the blend. I cant tell you the blend on here… but im sure you can message me through email sychromium since you are the administrator.
ill tell you what happened. and all the other stuff.
but i cant post anything on the internet because im seeing doctors. they might see my typing.
My husband smoke purke JWH-018 in white powder form tonight. He is very used to spice and decided to take it up a notch and smoke the pure JWH-018. The turn of events that took place after that were life changing for me and my children who were woken up by my husband flying into a total and complete psychotic episode. The only thing I can possibly try to compare it to is when you see a move with someone who OD’d on PCP and went psychotic and jumped off a building. He didn’t know who he was, fell down the stairs, smashed his head, he started shaking and twitching and moaning while he laid flat on his face…he would not let me move him. For 2 minutes, I thought he was dead. He was so psychotic with super stregnth that it took 5 paramedics to strap him and CUFF him to the girney. He thought he was going to jail…he had no idea what was ging on. He was taken away by parametics and scared the fucken shit out of all of us. I am a marijuana ADVOCATE and a lover of recreational drugs…THIS IS EVIL SHIT. THROW IT AWAY. I have no idea what the reisdual effects will be as I JUST came home from the hospital where I witnessed the strongest man I know lost total and all control of his mind and body. I AM BEGGING ALL OF YOU….THROW IT AWAY.
#12 – Interesting comment.
Does he know how much he smoked? Only milligram quantities are required.
I think smoking Spice is a much safer option than smoking pure JWH-018. That’s probably why some people choose to dissolve their JWH-018 in something and then reapply it to some dried plant matter. That way, you can measure out a safe dose much more easily.
If you can give any more details about how much he took, or how he progresses in the next few weeks, I’m sure everyone would really appreciate it.
the problem with JHW-018 is you really cant eyeball the dosage, a small increase from a normal dose can have a big difference in effect. if you are going to use it, get yourself a milligram scale (the same goes for many other ‘research chemicals’) or stick to the pre-prepared smoking or ‘incense’ blends, heh
what i found interesting about spice is that it worked orally – munching about 400mg gave me good effects. i wonder if it would be possible to take the jwh-018 sublingually…that would kick anyone in the arse i’m sure!
He said maybe 40 or 50 miligrams…but if you smoked a pound of weed that would never happen. It is not the same. May you people never witness or experience what we went thru last night. WE ,(inlcuding our kids), almost lost our whole world last night…THROW IT AWAY.
Jesus Christ!
An average dose of JWH-018 would be around 2-3 mg. 40-50 mg is an insane amount.
You get the point that weed is safer than the pure compound, but then, so are Spice and similar mixtures. You could never smoke a pound of that either.
It seems your husband was tragically misinformed. I think this is a lesson about doing your research if you intend to mess with chemicals that aren’t readily available in pure form, rather than staying away from it altogether. I’m sure a similar terrifying, yet non-lethal experience would be had if someone consumed 10x the usual dose of LSD.
yo it’s me (the husband) back from the hospital and the next day after some good sleep and some food and fluids in my system. My wife was right about last night but you should not smoke pure jwh-018 especially the amount i did. I have done everything out there even one night of 20X LSD and this was WAY worse! Trust me just stay sane and buy the recommended blends at your local headshop or use something you trust and KNOW! Thanks to all that helped my wife with some answers last night. For those of you interested on this substance BEWARE you could DIE!! FOR REAL!! just be cool and stick to what you know. Be a chiller not a killer. Earth is not so bad, try to stick around a bit longer.
Glad to hear you made it through to the other side!
If you ever feel like writing up a detailed experience report, I’m sure we’d all love to hear it.
Wow that one experiance could be a whole book! It was very very detailed and dramatic and at one point every thing in my entire life was flashing in my head at 5000 mph and I think the only thing from keeping me from death was my wife telling me to come back. I would go into more detail but I don’t have the time right now.
jwh-018. I have for the last 3 months been looking into the
synthesis of 018.my friend managed to make a few grams of it and out of curiosity I tried 12 ml by chasing it on foil.
It was tasteless but left a slight aftertaste in my throat.
To be brief,after 10 minutes,nothing,15 minutes,nice buzz,
30 minutes.heavy stone,lasted over an hour. ( not very nice )heavy and trippy,felt a bit paranoid.The last hour was
very enjoyable (back to the nice buzz ) felt pretty mellow
until I fell asleep,next morning felt fine.
Think I took too much,4to5ml seems about right for me.
I used to smoke sensi but gave it up about 20 years ago, I
think my tolerance was low,all in all it was an interesting experience and 200 hits to the gram is good value but I have to admit,I prefer good weed.
( please do not ask for the synthesis,I got it on line for $31.00, it is accurate ) we won’t be making any more.
hey armin, were did you buy synthesis?
my friend is an organic chemist and keeps in touch with the
schulgin people. I had no knowlege of this product until the
government made threats to ban it a while back.I was curious to find out what all the fuss was about so I brought it to the attention of my friend.He searched the web and put in(jwh-018 proposed synthesis)and got some good info.He said the proposed synthesis was pretty close but he was,nt too sure about the Jones reagent.Huffman stated
that the synthesis was not difficult,he published his method
in one of the scientific journals(can,t remember the no. )
You should be able to find out with a bit of research,anyway
the cost was $31.00,he ordered it ,I paid for it.
All he produced was just over 3.5 grams,the end result was
a light yellow / orange solid oil,not perfect but it can be refined to white and it works.
remember,at this time,018 is legal,but for how long?good luck.
was wondering how would you know if you are actually overdosing on 018, has similar experience with a smaller dose, symptoms included heart palpatations, numbness and tingling in left arm/ hand, just felt in general that i was going to have a heart attack, feedback would be great!!! thnxs
For anyone who isnt already a mid – heavy cannabis user, it isnt really recommended to go near pure form ever, its far too easy to take too much, and there a few horror stories appearing on forums of folk ‘freaking out’ because of it, and this leading to upto 6 month of traumatic stress to overcome the experience.
I have personally taken upto 80mg of 018 & 073 each over a morning and lost the plot, but luckly from a lot of previous drug experience, managed to keep control the full on anxiety ridden, uncontrollable shaking, mind bending trip, which comes in waves, the waves get less you know your on your way out. Not recommended.
Be so carefull with these in pure form, the safe way is make your own mixes, easy to make, and a so much safer way to play.
keep up the good work Synchronium.
so i smoke it like everyday my buddy gets it dirt cheap its a white powder everyone thinks is some crazy drug but its funny cuz it gets you geeeekeed. and possibly to trip if you smoke enough
Ok.. so I had a similar experience last night as well… hear palpatating, severe anxiety… felt extremely jittery. I haven’t smoked bud in about a month because I am trying to get a better job.. so I bought some mojo from a friend and he gave me a free sample of this jwh-018 shit. It was in a white powder form, but I also had some small crystals in with the powder. I was told to put a little bit of 018 on top of the mojo and not smoke too much.
Me and my bf smoked some earlier in the night and then smoked more off the same bowl about 2-3 hours later once our initial buzz was gone. I don’t know how much 018 was in there, but it wasn’t that much – I didn’t think at least. It was maybe 2 or 3 little clumps on top.
We were fine earlier in the night, but the second time we smoked – I finished the bowl off so we could put it away. Well I smoked more than I probably needed, but being that I had smoked bud heavily in the past I didn’t think it was a big deal.
Plus the full effects didn’t hit me until about 20 mins later. It was extremely scary. I began shaking and having heart palpatations, and this horrible feeling of nervousness. My bf was perfectly fine though – just a little high. We decided to go outside to get some air, but it was freezing and damp outside so that made me shake even more. So we got in the car and just sat there with the heater on. I warmed up, but couldn’t stop my legs from trembling. The only thing that kind of calmed me down was listening to music and playing a game on my bf’s iphone.
Just as armin mentioned – it came in waves and eventually subsided. I was so freaked out that I couldn’t sleep last night though. I felt fine maybe about 2 hours later, but my body fought the sleep all night. I kept waking myself up.
This stuff is very scary – I recommend not using it. Is this normal? Can this powder actually kill you? And is it seriously legal???? Bc I didn’t know what I was getting myself into and now I am concerned that I screwed up my system for future drug tests.
Thanks for insight and answers!
Well, there are a lot of horror stories with this compound aren’t there? Mr and Mrs Skunk have been smoking pure JWH-018 for the last two weeks in lieu of cannabis. At first it was a bit intense, but they both got used to it. It is important to weigh this compound, as stated before the dose/response curve is very steep. Mrs Skunk tried to eyeball a dose once, and guess what happened… I guess the moral of this story is to be well informed about what you are putting in your body. You wouldn’t try to eyeball a dose of powdered alprazolam or fentanyl would you?
I hear you… I just honestly didn’t realize what it was. I had a friend who bought the stuff and gave me a small sample of the powder along with some mojo I bought. I thought it was a type of mix or just something he bought when he bought the insensce…. Had I known it was some random chemical – I would have at least read up on it more. I didn’t know how much was “too much” because I didn’t know what it was. Personally I don’t care to use it anymore, but… I would warn people against it as well or at least use with SEVERE caution. As you said Skunkjar, weight it out or use a VERY minute amount to start…. It was just really bad the reaction I had. MUUCH MUCH worse than a reaction you have from smoking too much marijuana. With marijuana -you may smoke so much to where you feel a little light headed, with a headache, and possibly a little nauseousness….. but with this stuff I thought I was going to have a heart attack and I was trembling so badly that I could feel my legs shaking. Plus my heart was pounding so hard that I could HEAR IT myself…. I could feel it pounding on my ribcage which caused me to hear it in my own head – very freaky and hard to describe. Plus I forgot to mention the shortness of breath. First the anxiety and heart pounding started, then I noticed that I had to make an effort to remember to breath. I would breath in and then not breath out or vise versa… It was really weird. So then that started to freak me out … it was just extremely intense.
Be careful!
I am still interested to read up more on this chemical or compound… are there any good sites with more basic info on this? Thanks!
shit i smoke about 5g of serenity a day and sometimes more for the past year and i have asthma and one day i smoked about 8g of serenity in about 2 hours and almost choked to death from smoking too much serenity but i was having slight asthma before i started smoking, but that was my only bad sign from it yet other than very slight withdrawls like not being able to move in mornings if i havent smoked yet
In response to nick-
The fact is JWH-018 causes respiratory and cardiac depression, and a couple times Mr. Skunk could FEEL himself concentrating on breathing in order to not stop breathing. JWH-018 IS NOT cannabis and shouldn’t be treated as such. Please be careful all you SWIMMERS out there!
The only way you can overdose on this is, well, wait, no you can’t overdose on these blends. This stuff is diluted about 100 times in the end product. You can buy JWH-018 in pure form, but you will probably overdose and come back to forums like these spreading falsehood. You fuckups are the reason governments worldwide follow the same standard as the puritan USA to auto-ban anything good.
I’ve been researching this subject for a short while (month or so) and have made some interesting observations.
1. If you have little or no experience with weed, be careful with this substance as being high is something that you may need experience with to deal with the psycho and physical changes you will experience.
2. People are different, you may be an easy stoner prone to paranoia or you may not be. I am prone. I have had similar anxiety attacks from serenity as have from weed.
3. Serenity kicks in faster and gets strong faster for me and the few others I have witnessed use it.
4. The anxiety reaction for me is usually not a problem if I drink a couple drinks of alcohol before I smoke. The same is true with weed, for me. Other’s I have seen do not have anxiety issues with either weed or Serenity.
5. I smoke serenity and would be extremely cautious of working with JWH-018 or any derivative due to the danger of getting too much too fast. This is a train you can not stop once you are on it. I feel for the fellow that hit 40+mg. That would have probably killed me. As I said, with booze to get me in the right frame of mind (calm and happy) the anxiety is too much for me even with just serenity. I get the shakes, the heart pounding in head, the need to remind myself to breath and then I must constantly remind myself that I’ve been there before and it will pass.
6. Being legal and unlookedfor in drug tests, I suspect this “legal” high will remain popular until the law bans it.
7. It ain’t real weed and I am convinced that the laws controlling weed are insane and hypocritical since other more deadly forms of getting a little are a lot high are still legal. Such as alcohol, tobacco, fatty foods, caffeine, chocolate and the tons of anti-depressant pills that doctors and TV ads push on the population every second of every day.
8. I am very concerned with the fact that serenity, spice or whatever is basically telling a lie when they do not disclose that JWH is an ingredient in the product. I have smoked a few vareities of the normal herbal smokes and I get higher off regular tobacco and caffeine. The lack of disclosure and the uncontrolled processes that they may use to lace the herbal smokes with JWH are potentially dangerous. One article I read said that spice contained as little as .2% and as high as 3% of JWH. Those extremes make it hard to say how high you are going to get per hit if the product. One batch may take you 5 or 6 hits and do little while another sample of the product could get you flying on just a couple hits. This is dangerous, especially to the inexperienced careless user.
9. More clenical research really needs to be done but that research alone would generate unwanted publicity which would focus the public eye and probably result in a comprehensive banning of the products that use it.
10. I am still not sure how the JWH is made and I plan to continue to research that. I am not a chemist but I make a mean buritto. I am concerned that the only places I have heard that I can buy JWH in the powder form is Mexico and China. Nothing against those countries but I where I am from we learned to be cautious of moonshine made with automobile radiators and without some degree of control, you have no idea how contaminated this stuff could be.
I have to give the Synchronium an applause for such a frank and open discussion on this subject. It is obvious we are dealing with a considerable degree of unknown here and shedding light on the subject is valuable. The forums I have read have also been very helpful.
Last thing I have to say is that if the world would just pop it’s head out of it’s hypocritcal arse and legalize pot, we could all just take a toke, laugh at how stupid we are and get on with making the world a more peaceful place.
ever heard of serenity now?????? i was turned on to it by a friend and it was great.do u have any info on it and if not could u get it?i just want to know more
thanks
I smoke pepspice or similar brands a day and need to save money should i start buying jwh 018 and then making my own smoke would it be cheaper? let me kno peoplke and how should i do it
Dallas – simply put…NO. Playing amateur chemist with that chemical landed my husband in the hospital. If you can’t afford to smoke it …don’t….or cut back on something else. Mixing it your self can be lethal…that is probably why they do not disclose the ingredient on the package….the wrong amount is deadly…but not with weed and not with the pre-mixed brands….don’t get greedy…it is a huge huge mistake.
Hi
I smoked Spice Diamond in small amounts in the past. I still feel a little spaced out and my vision is blurred. Has anyone had these side effects and will they go away.
Thanks.
Garret
I have a friend who’s been using JWH-018 for about the past three months. He was a mid to heavy cannabis user prior to that, now I’m pretty sure he only smokes on occasion, maybe once every week or two. He’s come close to what I think an OD might feel like on the stuff about 3 times, but never had any true ODs. He would reach a point that if he didn’t walk around he thought he’s be sick and pass out. I myself have gotten close to that level but not quite. But we have at least 3 friends who weren’t heavy users like he was, who accidentally smoked large amounts and each of them got really sick. All on different occasions to the point where they rarely use it at all anymore. My friend who HASN’T actually gotten sick uses the JWH everyday though, and he usually does about 15mg now, since he’s built up a tolerance I guess. He does way more than the other guys did when they got sick, I was there on at least 2 of the occasions so I know that for sure. 3 hits knocked guy #1 down, 2 big hits guy #2, but my friend does 6-7 most times, at least three times what they did so I guess tolerance plays a big factor.
Every once in a while i simply hit a hallf bowl of the serenity brand. At most once a day. This is how this JWH substance should be used if you are curious. In smaller doses it resembles the feeling similar to a marijuana buZZzz. Once you go overboard from what i’ve heard its gonna suck. Note that smoking anything especially synthetic substances are very bad for your respiratory system. That is why their packages say, “not for human consumption.” But i just did and i feel niiice. half a bowl people. serenity.
Hi
Has anyone, who has smoked spice diamond got any persisting side effects? For example blurred vision, depression. And have the side effects gone away for good?
Thanks.
It’s that I am a little worried in case I have done some damage. Any good recovery stories that might help me feel positive.
In the past, SWIM was a heavy bud smoker but got popped so now has random UAs. For those considering using JWH-018 , SWIM recommends buying the blends first to see what you are getting yourself into. If you aren’t a chemist, or at least know how to use an ACCURATE scale, then you shouldn’t be messing about with the pure chemical.
If you haven’t ever tried real bud, SWIM says that JWH-018 is close to the effects, but definitely is not equal. Be smart about what you are putting into your body, SWIM has OD’ed before on other drugs and it is not cool. Start slow and know your limits! Remember that this is a new chemical that barely has any research behind it. The first article published about it was in 2005 meaning not even 5 years have gone by since the mainstream knew about it. At this point, we don’t know what the long term side effects are. Clinical tests have only been done on rats to my knowledge meaning that anyone who uses this chemical are playing the human guinea pig route.
Hi
I think I have blurred vision from useing Spice Diamond. I am hopeing it is just my mind playing tricks on me. psyhcomatic I think the word is. Has anyone out there suffered from blurred vision from useing legal highs. Can you please share your story. I am hopeing to hear some postive stories were individual has had side effects depression, blurred vision) and these side effects have indeed gone away. I’m maybe a little depressed or stressed which could also cause it.
Thanks.
Garret
Hey Garret, this is your third post so you are obviously concerned. I have never heard of anyone having lasting vision troubles from either pot or JWH. You may simply have a vision problem and you should go have your eyes checked. I expect if you do have a problem it is totally unrelated to the spice you smoked. I would not bother to mention the spice to the doctor, I doubt they would have a clue what you are talking about but you should have your eyes checked just to see if you have an unrelated vision problem.
Garret – Does the blurred vision happen WHEN you smoke? If so….the answer is quite simple…quit…..those are your eyes dude. You do not need to ask any advice when it comes to risking your eyesight. Go to an eye doctor AND YOU SHOULD tell him about the spice….and if there is no problem he can find…quit.
Garret, the previous post actually gave you better advice than I did. No one really knows what this stuff does to you. Anyone that uses it is essentially a test subject. You could be a 1 in 1,000 that is affected in a certain way. Even still, I wouldn’t let that freak me out. My vision has sucked for years, I’m missing half my teeth, I have had an ear infection that could not be cured for years, ringing in the ears for just as long, skin cancers galore, blocked carotid that was reamed out few years ago, some other stuff that I’ll not bore you with and now I have prostate cancer that I am working on a battle with but none of that had anything to do with dope, weed, alcohol, JWH or anything else. It was just life. I was on the wagon for over 30 years and all of this happened during that time. No drugs, no alcohol, just the day in and out pressures of life. You just got to go to the doctor, find out whats wrong and do what they tell you to do. Thats all you can do. Don’t worry about it, just take care of the situation that presents itself and thank God that you have another day to make a difference.
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I got up out of bed one morning after smoking spice and my vision was blurred and has been since. I think it is due to stress and depression. I got my eyes checked today and I do have a focus problem. I do think spice and some other legal smoke that I tried caused it. I should have not have touched the stuff. Bad, man made.
Garret, SWIM said his eyesight gets a bit blurry when he smokes Zohai (known to contain JWH-018) but this goes away after SWIM stops smoking it. SWIM thinks that you are not accustomed to effects from smoking marijuana which similarly bind to the CB receptors in your brain like the JWH chemicals do. From smoking either of these substances, known reactions include paranoia and depression.
It sounds like you have been researching a lot on stories related to the man made synthetics. I would venture to guess you *might* have been using during this time and the paranoia *might* have played into your thought process *perhaps* getting you to worry and believe further that you are losing your eyesight and getting depression.
I am not a psychologist, nor a physician, but my opinion on the matter is that you are getting too stressed and paranoid about the consequences of trying these synthetic chemicals and are playing into a hypochondriasis mindset. I would recommend to not use, not think about it, and try to relax. After a week or so, see if your outlook changes. Don’t divulge your mind in believing your are depressed etc, but remember and continue being the happy person you were.
You haven’t provided much information or insight on to the particulars of how long, how much and what other substances you have used, so my opinion could be way off base. You just come across as very stressed and worried in your writing (and frequency there-of) which is what I based my answer to you on. Again, I am not a doctor, and only a doctor can give you a qualified, credible diagnosis.
Like I said earlier, this is a new synthetic chemical that hasn’t really any major research behind it. Use at your own risk and obviously if you find it’s effects unpleasant, DON’T USE IT!!
Listen to “another random swimmer”. I was gonna say the exact same thing.
Some added info on JWH-073 for those interested:
-It is mellower than JWH-018
-Not nearly as potent
-Smoking seems to be the best method
-Snorting is painful and burns
-Eating it is mild
-Seems to be closer to the effects of THC than JWH-018
-No reported cases of seizures (to my knowledge) like with JWH-018
-Doesn’t affect vision like JWH-018 can
-On a downside, it gave SWIM discomfort in his abdomen (mainly the kidney area, lower back, and intestine area). Along with that his urine was very very “frothy,” and in the morning after use, when blowing his nose he found his mucus was white compared to normally being clear. Not sure if these are just mild nuisances or something to be feared, but seeing as how it is a research chemical I would advise again frequent or long term use.
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My vision was blurred for a few days after smoking it. Maybe because I felt very depressed due to be stressed out over the stuff. The herbal blend that I smoked was not Spice Diamond, it was some other blend. Th guy in the store was out of Spice Diamond at the time. The people who work in the store often mix the smoking blends and sell them in smaller quantities(10 euro per bag). So it was mixture of the other available blends. I could find no weed or hash that day so I called into the store and bought one of the mixtures. He thinks he is a chemist. Looking back, I should have not bought it. I keep kicking myself for buying the stuff. Anyway I took it home and took about 4-5 pulls from the stuff. Then I felt real bad, paranoid, the shakes and my heart started to beat real fast. Since then I have been very paranoid about my health. My vision seems fine now and I don’t feel depressed. I hope I have not done any damage. If I had an idea about the ingredients, I would have never have touched it. I taught it was herbal.
I smoked very small amounts of Spice Diamond and Smoke Plus. I would never finish a small roll of it(1/4 of a regular joint). Never again.
If you look into what herbal ingredients the blend has in it, individually, you will find that some of them in large doses were used by native americans in hallucinogenic rituals… In high dosages of certain herbs, .5 to 1.0g, can create a false reality or hallucination… But those of us who have dabbled in mind expanding drugs know, that smoking a half gram or whole gram of anything can put you down or can have an undesirable effect… Not to say some people enjoy extremely intense experiences on drugs, but most of us dont want to push it that far… I am glad to know that the gentleman who experienced the hospitalization for a couple evenings is ok and back to normal… With that being said the 18 yr old guy should understand that underlying mental health issues can arise around that age naturally but many times are spurred by the introduction of certain drugs… Depression is very common and more common in the teen and young adult years, so i dont know if it would be fair to make the assumption the blend you smoked made you depressed…
hey i was just wondering if uve herd of other products similar to spice but in my opinion way stronger such as aroma, illusion, puff, and i beleve a new 1 called ti hi or something is coming out i got a sample of it and it wz pretty extreme theese products r al sold in nz
Does anyone know a safe way to dilute jwh-018?
HI I’VE BEEN A USER OF THE .HERBAL BLENDS SUCH AS THE SPICE BLENDS UNTIL THEY WERE PULLED THEN I STARTED SMOKING A DIFFERENT BLEND CALLED MOJO AND FOUND IT WAS A LITTLE BETTER THAN THE SPICE BLEND,BUT IT WAS TO MUCH TO KEEP BUYING WEEKLY SO I WENT ON LINE TO PURCHASE THE DIFFERENT HERBS THEY LISTED AND WAS GOING TO MAKE MY OWN BLEND ,BUT SOON FOUND OUT WITHOUT THE MAIN INGREDIENT WHICH WAS JWH 018. I WASN’T HITTING ON SQUAT. SO WHAT I NEED TO KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO AND HOW MUCH OF THIS CHEMICAL TO BLEND WITH A MIXTURE OF HERBS TO MAKE YOUR OWN SPICE BLEND. IT SOUNDS SCARY IN PURE FORM SO I’M WITH YOU J.D……….. SO PLEASE IF ANY ONE KNOWS HOW TO MIX ………HELP A POOR MAN STILL GET HIGH
This is not a game people. If you go into something haphazardly be warned no matter what it is. I did due diligence with regard to research and after testing a local blend…I decided to make my own spice. The pure form scares me a bit so Im not even going there. Im not here to judge anyone…but I find you must educate yourself first…Dont trust your friends…many people make the mistake to compare this with green…and approach it the same way. Dont make that mistake. This is powerful stuff and needs to be respected. I smoke a couple times a week and have not experienced anything but a mild hangover if I do it before bed…go easy..go small an sit with it for a while..Just be smart. My home blend is excellent and I infuse it with a lil pinapple and mint…smells like spice cake
so standradized, what did you use to cut the jwh-018?
Pure acetone. Acetone is nasty stuff but when evaporated off it leaves nothing behind. I have tried grain alcohol but you really have to massage the 18.. Im fine with acetone
So what kind of ratio works best? I’m in the process of making my own blend right now. Standardized how do you apply the mix to the herbs? I would like to get further details from someone like yourself who obviously has experience. Thanks!!
Im not going to get into that kind of detail here…For a beginner I recommend the first link :
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=make+your+OWN+spice!
Here is another very informed article on the subject.
http://www.kogged.com/2009/08/making-your-own-spice-blends/
Hi, When they say Spice Diamond may have side effects, do people mean temporary or long term? If they are side effects would most of them come under temporary?
I think I have sensations around right temple area. I have not smoked the stuff for almost 2 months
Thank You.
Hey, I just bought some jwh-018 and i was wondering what kind of dried plant leaves should i mix it with? Should i mix it with tobacco or what?
Adam Z – If you have not done that much basic research, you have no business mixing it yourself. Laziness does not match well with jwh-018. You can get the leaf ingredients of of ANY spice, zo-hai, diamond etc…package. DO YOUR HOMEWORK. Playing amateur chemist will land you in the hospital.
This stuff will make you permanantly crosseyed with long term use.It also can lead to heart attacks,seisures,and strokes or anyeurisms.Dont be stupid,quit using this stuff before you end up retarded or dead.You will be sorry if you do not heed this warning.
Jim
MY HUSBAND HAD A GRAND MAUL SEIZURE WHILE SMOKING THIS STUFF AND HAS IS SO STUPID HE HAS SPENT 750 ON IT IN ONE MONTH.
Now, who is to say WHO will have a seizure and who wont? Hey you idiots, go for it. Smoke it till you fall over.
Im sorry that happened to your husband. What a terrible experience. It sounds like he became very obsessive and compulsive.
No disrespect but if I drank 750 dollars worth of Pepsi I might have some issues too. Sadly many people blame the substances for addiction….rather than the individuals inability to moderate. He may need help.
well, i mixed 5 milligrams in with a black and mild, and got high. it felt like a weed high without the munchies or the heart pounding. i smoked about half of the black and was high for two hours, after i came off the high i was rejuvenated, not sleepy or drowsy at all.
THIS STUFF DESTROYS U!!!!!! believe me…. there are at least 1000+ people who have used this stuff daily for months and have noticed the side effects…. this stuff WILL fuc k u up… i am in the military and all sorts of spice is available in head shops right off base…. ive used this stuff for almost a year and it caught up with me….. this stuff will fuck ur head up…. ive used basically every drug known to man!! i”m not gonna be that guy that says not to do it, but if ur browsing the web, looking to see if ur not the only one experiencing some horrible, life destructive side effects from this shit, take it from me… ive smoked spice DAILY for almost a year and this shit will fuck ur head up…. BAD…. DONT FUCKING DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How about some details danas. You provide a scare but no reason why anyone one should be scared. So far it seems like the majority of people on this thread that have had problems. Have either poor moderation methods or weren’t ready for what they tried. What’s your reason for why it is so bad?
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I have smoked a few legal smoke blends on and off over the last 8 months. Just a few hits here and there. I wont smoke this stuff again, I did’t like the high and negative effects I had while smoking it(pounding heart, paranoia). The only thing I am concerned about know is that I am becoming a hypochondriac from reading all the scare stories. If you took a pill and found out later that the pill had unknown side effects and nobody nows what this pill can cause because very little research was done, I am sure your mind would race. The shit has gone out system by now and I just say to myself that my mind is slowly healing. that’s why I think I have a little amount of anxiety. I do have fate in the human mind to heal. And I am glad used little of the stuff. After reading danas report, I just felt like scared and the anxiety started again. I would like to know what side effects do you have? And do notice any improvement?
I love the fact that this thread just keeps on growing and growing. I wonder if some of you ever smoked any real weed before you tried this stuff. I can tell you from experience that the real stuff will mess up your head and send you down a rabbit hole that you will pray that you will find your way out of. This chemical they are lacing these herbs with is like the top side of a hard high. At times it’s OK and you can cope with it pretty well. Other times, you better have a decent grip on your your arm rests cause you fixing to take a ride you may not have bargained for. That’s the reality of getting high.
As I have said, somewhere up above all this crap, people are lacing a “supposed incense” with a cannabinoid. Potheads smoke the stuff to get high. It’s legal and it does work. Since there is a disclaimer saying it is not for “human consumption” (Any of you ever blow shotguns to the cat or dog) they sneak under some sort of legal and FDA wire.
Basically this is not a toy for the (as Hendrix would put it” unexperienced. You can take a ride you are not well prepared for and go places you may not like being. If you have been there before “NATURALLY – with MJ” it’s not such a shock. If you have not. Caveat Emptor
I could go on and often do but for this post I am going to say one simple thing. It is the essence of hipocrisy to pretend to be something that you are not. Esse Quam Videri, or something like that. If this country, based on freedom for all, can not get above the hipocrisy (sp?) of allowing a product to be on the market that arremots to do what a far superior and even safer “KNOWN” product does then we are the victims of our own stupidity.
Legalize the stuff and get it over with.
This has been one of the more active and interesting threads I have read in a long time. Just want to say thanks for everyone who has taken time to share from whatever opinion or perspective. It occurs to me that if the “powers that be” would really do an honest and thorough clinical study based on just the very small bits of info posted here, we all could benefit. I believe that “public safety” is very important. But I also support “freedom of choice”. But, I do have one complaint. I have noticed a general and sometimes specific lack of effort from some individuals to take some responsibility when it comes to doing your homework. It really is a simple as “reading the label” of ingredients and then determining if it is in your best interests to consume. I am sorry as other have stated for people who have suffered serious problems. But, “HOLY SHIT” people. It is ‘NOT” to much to say that if you haven’t educated yourself or checked the contraindacations of the substance, then shame on you! Grow up and stop acting like a bunch of “You Tubers” out for a “cheap thrill”.
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My eyes are fine thanks. I smoked good and bad hash in the past, also weed. I also smoked Spice Gold and a little of Spice Diamond. I could kind of handle this stuff. I have stopped smoking everything and also drinking.
The last stuff I took a few hits from was a smoking blend of maybe tow different types of legal highs. This was to strong for me and felt like a bad trip. I was just worried in case I damaged my mind. I ws reading all the scare stories and became a little hypochondriac, whats wrong with that? I am human.
Greetings everyone;
I am on probation which means no weed for me. I have not smoked weed in well over 30 days, and I won’t be able to for months. I was a daily smoker before this point.
Down in progressive Austin, the probation office was somewhat “OK” with marijuana smoking; whereas, it is evil, bad and wrong here in East TX. I am praying for a law change in my lifetime, and I can feel some momentum, but until then I am relocating to a very progressive state (or nation) i.e. West Coat, Canada…
I’m assuming all thc is out of my system at this point, because all of a sudden I am dying for a smoke. Some would scoff at this idea, but I am in tune with my body in that kind of way. I was fine before this point, but I am NOT going to smoke weed and get in trouble. Jail is not the place for me.
With that being said I am increasingly interested in Spice Blends, and hey it will give me an excuse to buy a new bond (just kidding, but really I will to avoid any contact with thc)
I have had MUCH experience with LSD and psychedelic mushrooms, as well as what I consider “bad drugs” including painkillers, anti-anxiety, binge drinking, coke and speed. From time to time I might eat a pain killer ONCE in a blue moon just because I enjoy the effects both physical and metaphysical. I am an artist/musician/writer, so just like Coltrane I know that painkillers can help you get through long sessions.
I am going to buy the Spice today, and take it lightly. I will post my report when I test the product.
I have smoked all kinds of weeds and I love my weed very dearly. Unfortunately for me I got a DWI and with that came probation. Now I can’t drink or do drugs. Luckily for me a buddy of mine introduced me to JWH-018 2 months ago and I can say this is truly a life saver for any weed enthusiasts out there that are unable to smoke weed( whether it’s due to a job, probation, military etc.) I have been smokin a blend called Ocean Breeze which is sold in my town for 30$ a gram. Yes I know that is ridiculously expensive compared to weed, you don’t need to inform me of this I already know. That’s just the price I have been paying to get legally high and not have to worry about going to jail. So in a way the money justifies not getting in trouble. Anyways back to the main point.
This stuff effects me very similarly like weed does. I smoke a chillum or 2 (depending on how high I feel like getting) and just go about like I would when I smoked weed. I have never had any scary moments like other people have mentioned above. Generally the people who have had bad experiences with it can be generalized in 2 common reasons.
1. People who have never experimented with weed or other drugs go out and try their first legal alternative and feel safer doing it because it is legal. So they go and smoke it expecting maybe that it is all fun and games. Then when they actually get the high they have never had before they get scared because it is something new to them causing them to panic and freak out (this reasoning is all in theory)
2. Other people who have done enough drugs to know what generally might happen to them if they smoke JWH-018 either go into it not doing their homework and basically OD on it, or are thinking “hey I am an experienced smoker I can smoke a bunch of this powder and be fine”. Which is NOT true and they OD as well.
(I feel this is the more common one to occur when people are talking about anxiety and panic attacks)
Also when people do go out and experiment with JWH-018 it seems like there are a lot of people going straight for the concentrated version of it and smoking it as a straight powder. Which can be alright when you know what you’re doing and do it in moderation (it takes a very tiny amount to give you a nice buzz), but most people seem to take too much of it.
I have been smoking the Ocean Breeze blend for the last 2 months and it is a combination of the JWH-018 over some form of safe herbal leaf you can smoke(I believe it is generally a 15mg JWH-018 per gram of leaf(don’t quote me on this though)). I get a very similar high that it comparable to a weed high. Obviously it isn’t THC though so the results aren’t quite the same. When I do smoke I say it takes about 2 – 10 minutes after smoking for the high to start, and with in 20 minutes I am usually hitting my peak, and usually lasts for anywhere from one to a few hours. For me in the very end when I am coming down I have noticed I get drowsy-ish. Also during my high it seems like I get a little more horny sometimes.
I go about all my daily life while I smoke this stuff but I guess I am use to doing everything daily with weed too so this is no difficult task for me. I go to my classes, work and function just fine. I love to kick back and smoke it just like weed and also enjoy my movies and video games as well.
I have never had a bad experience when it’s come to smoking jwh-018, no form of paranoia or anxiety, but I am only speaking for myself. Like I mentioned above though I don’t feel there is anything to be scared of if you go about this smart and do your homework on it before just taking it not knowing what to expect. It’s not rocket science just ease into it. Like I also stated above I believe that if it is going to be your first time smoking it go for a blend rather than the straight concentration of JWH-018, because it should not be taken lightly.
Also for anyone else who saw me saying I spend 30$ a gram on this stuff and thinks that is just outrageous, I agree with you. A gram typically lasts me 4-5 days tops. Fortunately I have come across a forum discussing how to mass produce your own blend with a combination of using safe smoke-able herbal leafs and the concentration of JWH-018. The blend when you are done making it can yield up to 75 Grams all for the price of around anywhere from 75-150$ I will let you do the math on how much you can save if you want this to be a regular commodity for you. As for the forum, just search engine “how to make your own spice” , and I think you can figure it out from there.
How long do synthetic cannabinoids stay in the human system? Can any one answer? I read somewhere that they are eliminated fast the body. Is this true?
I don’t know how long spice is in the system but if you’re worrying about it showing up in a drug test of any sort don’t. Me along with many other people are on probation and other instances that require drug testing…The beauty of spice is that it :
A. Isn’t illegal
B. Isn’t detected by drug tests.
Wow. Veryinteresting thread, indeed. I was just curious to see if anyone knows how this would compare to marinol, or synthetic THC…
And-
Are there any NATURAL plants out there that contain, in ANY amount/potentcy, any other cannibinoids, but still no THC ? I would be more interested in these ‘all natural’ approaches to the common sought after ‘HIGH’ … I, too, being another one who cannot imbibe THC for months because of the stupid ‘ GOVERNMENT’ …
hoshblah:
http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/images/drugs_of_concern/spice_jwh018.gif
(this is an image of the chemical makeup of jwh-018 on the left and thc on the right. Now, I am NO chemist lol; however, If you notice the left side of the jwh-018 you will see it is missing only one piece, then is reversed and doubled! Fascinating indeed!)
Mankind will find always find a way to be free…
Sean:
I PROMISE I will run a full-panel at home test on myself before I smoke spice and after, because I am curious about this myself.
I read that jwh-018 is not stored in fat cells and metabolizes out very quickly. I have read many people that smoked the day of probation tests and passed with flying colors.
However, the U.S. military is onto jwh in some way or another…
Ok I’m normally nice about things but everyone on here talking about how evil the stuff is need to pull their heads out of their asses.
You smoked 50mg of pure jwh-018 and had a bad reaction? Well no fucking surprise moron! Standard dose range is around 2-5mg and you blazed through 10 times that, probably in a single hit?
I smoked pure jwh-018 once and yes it was incredibly strong and nearly overwhelming but I kept my cool because I knew it wouldn’t hurt me.
You were simply surprised by the potency and had a panic reaction. The panic reaction resulted in a whole slew of negative effects that were simply a result of the pure panic.
All these types of effects can be had from weed, and it happens all the time. So Ms. “this is the devil” you need to think about what’s going on. Ya, you can smoke a pound of weed without having this effect… but how many people have smoked a pound’s worth of pure THC and had a great time? Very few I imagine considering high doses of THC are incredibly dysphoric and unpleasant.
Haven’t you heard about people having “psychotic episodes” with strong batches of brownies?
Thanks NotDumb. Well said for sure. Over medicating is reality, but flippin freakin out with panic n fear is the major cause of “psycho-babble” racing in the human mind.
I am old enough (58) to share a common attitude from a few generations ago. Simply, friends spent time together and supported each other when an “episode” would occur.
The term from that era was “MAINTAIN”. Of course this entails fore-thought and some education about what the possibilities might be while “becoming the lab rat”.
I don’t mean this to be a lecture. I just hope as new molecules and substances are created and evolve that the inventors would work together with legitamate “professional labs”.
OOPS !! What am I thinking? That would take a government and also a willingness of a community to really “have an inquiring mind”. I am retarded. My Bad.
hello to all,
i have been doing some extensive research on jwh-018 and specifically k2, spice blends, and especially serenity now. i am not an experienced user at all, but i had a VERY bad experience with serenity now (which does contain jwh-018 and lithium orotate, two of the active ingredients in the herbal blends), and I just want to give those of you with worries my input.
using these herbal blends, in my honest opinion, is a poor decision at best, because, unless you are an experienced user and know that it wont affect you negatively, you could end up damaging yourself for an extended period of time.
i smoked too much serenity now in one setting, had an extremely bad trip filled with paranoia and extreme anxiety because it felt as though i lost contact with everything. to make a long story short, i have never quite felt the same ever since i did that, and i know it definitely isnt still in my system (its been about a month since).
i do feel much better since then, because the panic is no longer present, and ive gotten help and information that leads me to believe that i should be fine in a matter of time. i’m not positive of this however, and i would warn everyone that you could be one of the unlucky people, like myself, that has long term side effects due to its misuse.
the paragraph above this might comfort some of the others with concerns about recovery stories. i truly do think you will get better, so try and enjoy life in the mean time. but STAY AWAY from this stuff, its really not good for you at all.
Thanks for reading!
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I agree, I know I will be fine also. It’s the hypochondria that got me. Maybe it’s from reading the stories on the internet. I am seeking help right now, thank god. I did not use much of this stuff which is a plus, but it did have a negative effect on me. What side effects do you still have?
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What kind of help and information did you receive? And how long does it take to recover?
Thanks.
Garret
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Has anyone on this forum have negative side effects from using legal smokes and have they recovered 100% from them? I am a little worried about the way i am feeling. Thanks.
garret
For those of you who “don’t quite feel the same,”
you are probably experiencing ego death because you are tripping on jwh-018. It is not like weed – it is like ACID. you are reaching a plateau, and my friends you will always kind of be at that plateau. you are expanding your mind.
if you want to fix this, what i call a negative ‘trip cycle’ which repeats over and over every day and you don’t want to use jwh-018 – find some acid or shrooms and try to have a good trip.
when your brain filters are GONE you are very vulnerable because you can understand most everything …
hope this helps!!!
Ive been “researching” jwh-018 (google
for the past hour or so and i must say, smoking the pure powdered form looks and seems dangerous. I seen a few videos on youtube and all smokers looked like drug adicts. I have been smoking spice in moderation for the past few months and i frikin love it. Of course we all know there are poeple in this world who can turn any good thing into a bad thing.
I have never been a big smoker even with bud before i was on probation. and as long as you use this stuff in moderation there shouldnt be any harm done. Because i am a broke ass guy, i try to make 1g last throughout the week. So it usually lasts for about four days or so, then i take a break untl i can buy another $20 g. If anyone knows that its possible to buy this stuff by the bulk (1 pound or more) please let me know. I want to stock up before this stuff becomes illegal. which i hope it never does.
So if any of you were to ask me, i would say dont smoke it in its pure form and smoke the blend in moderation. This stuff is too expensive and potent to smoke in large amounts at one time. Oh and be stash with your stash, this stuff can disapear within the blink of an eye.
Please e-mail me with questions or answers. Jmendoza_357@yahoo.com
Pure jwh-018 Dosage 3 to 5 milligrams people! (smoking)1000mg in a gram, 1g = 200 to 333 doses.
If you just put a little on or in something and smoke it there is no wonder you are freaking out! Look at it like this….. a few grains of salt can be 3 to 5 mg. Very easy to use to musc and get the freak out my heart is exploding paranoid high. Long live the bonsai !!!!
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I still don’t feel 100% Does anyone know someone who recovered from this stuff? I hear a lot of people saying that they don’t feel themselves anymore. Can someone say something positive? I just need a little reassurance. I am sure they are a lot of people who feel the same. I am sure the mind can heal, people have been through a lot worse
Thanks.
Bob Dobbs
Garret,
with regard to side effects, i still feel kind of wobbly from time to time, as if i’m sort of off balance in my head, and if i stare at one thing for more than a couple seconds, the object will start to sway a little.
these effects are worst when I:
1. dont get much sleep at night (under 6 hours)
2. are dehydrated / haven’t eaten in a while
3. for some reason when i’m in a dimly lit room things are wierd?
anyway, don’t worry about the way that you feel. believe me i was in EXTREME panic for the first two weeks, because I was stressed from lying to my parents about it, I was reading scary stories in forums like this. just CHILLAX bro, its a lot easier to just accept that youre going to get better and you’ll probably feel this way for an indefinite amount of time.
and its not just gonna go away one morning, your gonna start feeling better gradually, like i am now.
hope this made you feel better.
and BEN, what do you mean when your brain filters are gone?
thanks!
and i received help from my psychologist, support from friends and family, all that shit helps. i’m also on Vivance, which is an ADD medication, and it actually helps me a LOT, because i feel much more in-control of myself.
not much info on jwh-018 though, if your still doing it, i suggest you stop.
Hi
Thanks for the help. I just dabbled with the legal smoke blends(Spice Gold, SmokeXXX, SmokePlus and a couple of others). I never bought a ful pack of any blend. It was always about 10euros worth from local head store. I used to roll a small joint with the stuff, mostly made from 1 cigarette paper, with tabaco. I would take a few hits from the small joints once in while. Most of the time I just felt mildly stoned and not freaked out. Most of the time I felt I was doing something wrong while smoking the stuff and through most of it down the toilet.(a synthetic stoned, plastic kind of feeling?)Once I got a blend from the head shop and took a few hits(4-5 pulls) from the stuff and it nearly me nuts. My heart was pounding and my body was shaking. I felt like shit. I suppose when I read the scare stories I gave the fear legs, so to speak. So now, I think positive. In fact, I cut out everything, drink, drugs, fags.
Thanks.
Everything happens for a reason.
Thank God I did not put a lot of this stuff in my system.
I hope people stay away from all this shit.
Good to know yer on the right track. but yea dude i felt and did the same thing. get good sleep and drink water periodically, youll feel better. and I hope some people reading can take away what we’ve said and maybe cut that shit too, cuz it really aint good.
Hello. I am typing to you while fresh out of the hospital courtesy of serenity now (only three hits.)
Heart palpitations over 130, shaking limbs and tremors.
1) I was an experienced drug user in the past (marijuana and also lsd) So this was not the result of my being a novice.
2) It was only the second time I had tried it and I took a VERY small amount (three hits.) So this cannot be blamed on smoking too much or too often.
This was not an imaginary head trip from me panicking because I didn’t feel panicked or paranoid at all. Until the racing heart and violent tremors kicked in.
Don’t take this shit. Just because it’s legal and herbal doesn’t make it safe.
There is no way to know if you will be the unlucky one to have this side effect- and you may smoke once or twice and be fine and the third time land in the hospital. It’s russian roulette, motherfucker.
If nothing else think of the ambulance and emergency room bill. Can you afford to pay?
I would also like to add I never, ever, had heart palpitations or tremors from weed or lsd- not even when I over smoked or had a bad trip.
If weed were LEGAL as it should be- NONE of this would have happened.
Hi
I agree, it’s all the same. Scumbags making money who don’t give a fuck about people. Not only people, plants, animals the envoirment, you name it. Only money. I would have been a lot happier if the product I bought in head shop was herbal and if I did’nt get stoned from it, so what. But these bastards have not even tested this stuff on humans. It was the worst experience of my life. If you like weed, stick to weed. If you want weed legalised, don’t go near headshops, you are only part of the problem. Scum of the earth. Did you read the above post about the talking about filters being damaged; this is a very sick person.
i’d have to agree with “fuck serenity now”. i’m still contemplating whether i should make a big deal about warning others about it. “Fuck serenity now”, did you have any lasting side effects after having been to the hospital?
Hi
First of all, I am very hard on myself for using these legal smokes. I am trying to change the way I am thinking. And reading scare reports does not help me. I am a little hypochondriac. I am mildyly depressed and I am sure the smokes caused it. Depression can cause blurred vision. I think I may have a slight blurred vision problem. All these problems could be caused by hypochondria(stress) and depression, so I need to think positive every day. It was the worst thing that happened me to me and also the best. I now stay away from all weed, fags, drink. I attend AA, which is great. Infact I could not enjoy weed anymore after useing this shit. It’s a spiritual high people are after; I need to get in touch with that side of me. Get over the illusion that your brain needs to be fixed from using this stuff and let your mind and body heal. No, I have never neen to hospital, just had a very bad experience with legal smokes.
Have you any side effects?
The guy talking about filters sounds like a damaged person who does not like the truth. I would use the word buffers instead of filters. He has many buffers in place to keep him using drugs and not accepting himself. He basicly does not like were he is in life and does not like himself.
Has your health improved since you stopped? Are you feeling better?
garret,
i’m pretty sure your blurred vision problems will go away. that is one side effect that i’ve heard some recover from. and are you having trouble sleeping at night because of the way you feel?
also does anyone else with side effects feel dissociated or depersonalization? this is the one thing i feel the most so far.
Hi
I can sleep well ok. I have not smoked anything in 3 months. I still think my vision is a little blurred, maybe from depression. I can read perfectly. For example, I worry when I see people coming towards me if they look a little blurred. Then again, I could be bringing all this stuff on myself due to worry and reading into things to much. How long did it take for your friends blurred vision to clear up? I do think I feel a tiny bit of depersonalization or then again it could just be worry. When you feel stressed your body can feel different. What did your friends say about depersonalization and feeling dissociated, did they say it would pass?
My main problem seems to be hypochondria. I don’t feel paranoid(people out to get).
Thanks.
The feelings you have will pass.
Garret
JWH-018 is a chemical plant fertilizer. I hate to tell all of you jwh smokers, but smoking synthetic chemicals is not good. Use common sense when putting stuff in your body. God made cannabis for us. Why change what is already working? If you have a drug test issue, buy some fake piss, or get a a friends clean piss and put it in a urinator or water weenie. heat up pee with disposable hand warmer and temperature strip. keep pee temp to body temp before submitting sample. For random testing keep fake urine. This method is much safer than smoking synthetic chemicals. No chemical is better than lighting up a big fat stinky purple kush spliff. If we’re gonna smoke fake weed, where will it stop? Are we gonna stop eating food and only take vitamins for nutrtion? Stay Herbal.
Hi
Did any of your friends recover completely? Or did you read any positive stories about people coming out the other end feeling good and positive?
Thanks
yes in fact, i have a good friend who felt these things for about three days and then it cleared up, but this was probably just euphoria. i have reason to believe jwh 018 can, and will, induce chronic anxiety in people and this is the reason for your hypochondria.
http://www.anxietycentre.com/anxiety-symptoms.shtml
^^This might help^^
Hi
I do tend to worry a lot, even without soft drugs(hash,weed).
I know that worry can cause anxiety. I am not suffering from chronic anxiety, thank God. I think you mean jwh-018 can cause short term anxiety? It’s only natural to worry about your health after finding out the ingredients of these herbal smokes. I have just given the problem legs. I just need reassurance and I should be fine.
Thanks.
Garret
Hi
Once you are of the stuff does the anxiety subside in time?
Thanks.
guy with advice – by ‘brain’ filters’ i mean your inhibitions you were raised with. things you think are right and wrong because of society’s constant unbearable conditioning of our minds and souls.
also i don’t see how ADD meds could help you recover from smoking jwh? add meds make me tweak the fawk out and grind my teeth.
Hi
Thought i’d look up this subject again ,as i came to this forum panicking 6 months ago. Dabbled in spice diamond back in august 2009 couple of spliffs . second one had a massive effect after a couple of hits , panic attacks coming in waves ,fainting ,heat palputations . got through the night ,but severe panic attacks stayed for weeks , gradually subsiding over a couple of months. for months i didn’t feel right , stopped using all drugs , caffeine alcohol etc. its 7 months on now still layed of the green , find i can’t really drink anymore , but back to normal ,or there abouts.
i think i had anxiety before this episode ,what has happened since is i’m very aware of my body and its functions , this causes anxiety .
garret you sound like a bit of a hypocondiac like me , remember being a kid and smoking to much? sweating fainting , heart palputations etc same experience just being older made it scary !
i’ve smoked weed for 25 years , i’ve not touched it since , i think this spice blend might have uneaven dosing maybe , maybe not ? whatever it set of a slight panic disorder , which i’m better from, or a least back to where i was before the experience , although i wasn’t so aware of it!
physically , i was as fit as a fiddle , i still am . the heart palputations were and still are anxiety related , caffeine and sugar seem to affect them .
i was an old time pot head when i tried spice diamond , whether it was a nasty 1 in 1000 reaction or a plain old “sweat attack ,spin out” i’m not sure but it had a profound effect on my mental health for a number of months .
garret you’ll get better , just stop worrying!
cheers dave
thought i’d better add i’ve had 2 other similar episodes in my life(i’m 42) to what i mentioned above , both extreme stress related ( deaths etc) that were “not” substance related . they both also took months to recover from . cheers dave
Hi
Thanks Dave. I needed that advice, thanks. I am just a gental soul who is a little hypochondriac. I need to let go. I have stopped using everything also. I think it is a much better road to be on.
Hi
Yes, that is another one of the dangers, uneven batches. All of the smoke blends have the same problem.
thank you dave, this helped me a lot too (ironic, cuz im the guy with advice lol). do you think my feelings of dissociation (depersonalization) will dissipate in time??
thank you!
DEE
I don’t know what you smoked but it must not have been typical spice. I smoke Spice EVERY SINGLE day and have been for over a year! I get ounces of the stuff at a time. It is a nice replacement for bud considering I get a monthly test. It has had no negative side effect on me and I always have panic attacks sober and have been prescribed to xanax for it. It relaxes me just as weed does and I am still standing.
Hi
Yes, people are having bad reactions. What you experience is subjective. People are different. Read the above posts and check out the internet.
Garret
I really don’t know what to say…I haven’t checked up on this site in like a week and now here all I see is people writing big scare blogs. Spice isn’t the devil, it’s NOT some horrible drug that if you try it once you will go insane or be on the street corner doing terrible things to get your “fix”. I can’t believe what I am seeing…”hope to recover”…really???? I smoke this stuff all day long and have been for the last month. I smoke at least 3 chillum’s of spice a day and have nothing but a good solid high that lasts for a while and I go on with my every day life. I am not tweaking out going to hospitals or anything like that.
I guess the reason I am writing this is because I don’t want people being scared to try this. Like I had mentioned above in a previous post is that most people’s issue is moderation. I have never once had a paranoid moment using Spice and I have NEVER had any panic attacks.
I know that what I am saying only applies to me and that everyone is different but seriously everyone is making this sound like it is some terrible insane drug like crack or meth. Which definitely isn’t the case. I smoke this stuff daily, I get high, I enjoy my high, I come down. Everything is normal and nothing is going “crazy”. I am a college student going for engineering and I receive good grades in my classes and half the time I am going in high as a kite into my classes and performing just fine. So seriously people get your shit together…I highly doubt anyone is ever going to go to rehab from this, but just have to deal with perhaps a bad high.
When you are going to smoke this stuff go in with the mentality “ok, I am going to smoke this. Then I am going to wait for a while let the high sink in.” ….You have to expect some sort of a high you’ve never felt before and that you won’t have control over it. (isn’t that the point of getting high?..isn’t that why you bought the spice?)
If it’s your first time smoke in MODERATION. Learn what amount gives you what kind of high. For instance I can take 1-3 puffs and get a solid high that last an hour or two. Last night though I rolled a nice fat blunt of Spice and smoked that over a few hours and I had a enjoyable high!
All I am saying is don’t come on here to learn a quick lil bit about Spice and not read all the posts….It seems lately people are just coming on here bad mouthing something they either know nothing about, or had 1 bad experience (maybe due to that brand of product?) and then come on here telling these scare stories…yes maybe this didn’t work for you that’s fine don’t use it again, but it works fine for other people too…Everyone I have smoked this with in my town has had good experiences with JWH-018 and many of them are habitual marijuana users. It just shows that this stuff does work.
cal, youre a retard in all honesty. of course what you say only applies to you; you clearly have no hypochondria, nor hyper-vigilance, so the effects that induce panic in others obviously have NO effect on you.
and yes people should be very cautious, and maybe even afraid, to try this because they could be that hyper-vigilant person who is prone to anxiety.
i took three big hits of serenity now from a pipe (probably not even 10mg), and i tripped so hard, had huge panic attacks, and anxiety i’m still dealing with about a month and a half afterwords.
read Danas’s thing in post 67, that guy did all sorts of drugs and nothing messed his head up more than the jwh 018 he took.
so to what extent does this make me a retard? I clearly stated how it worked for me and I even said, “personally”. I made that point pretty clear.
Perhaps people that have hypochondria are the retards when they knew they have it (hypochondria) already and went out and tried the Spice anyways???
I work with an assisted living company where I have clients with all kinds of mental disorders and I know for a fact that I have none of these, so in no way am I a retard you jack ass. So with the pointless and weak name calling aside let’s get back to the focus of the topic.
I agree with you, yes, people should try spice with caution. I think this goes for any new drug you may be experimenting with. I think that is obvious. I had stated in multiple posts earlier saying how to go into it knowing exactly what you are ingesting (it’s your body after all), and to not over do it. I use a spice blend that is roughly 20mg/gram. I am not using the straight powder because unless you have a very precise scale it would be extremely easy to over do it, and yes if that’s the case you will have a bad trip.
The first time i tried smoking Spice I was very timid, just taking small hits and being patient. Not jumping into it and just taking extra large rips on the bowl because that would be most unwise.
It’s possible that Serenity may have other additives in it, I am not going to take the time to look up those specifics. There are many different versions of spice out there so who knows, maybe if i smoked what you had, then perhaps I would have had a bad trip as well. But I have smoked multiple spice blends in my area and none of them have had negative effects on me.
So i agree with your statement in using Spice cautiously very much. Be scared of it though? I don’t think that is necessary…be open minded that what you’re trying is new, and yes, there’s the possibility it may not go well for you and that you may not like it…but don’t let people use scare tactics to turn you away though. Not if there is a still a group of users that don’t have negative effects….aka me and at least 20 of my friends..and plenty of other people around the world have had a good time using Spice.
For the people with hypochondria that are aware of it…be smart!!! Don’t smoke this then!!! If you are unsure if you have it then I would highly suggest doing research and making sure. I did plenty of research to let me know I would be ok…So use your head a bit and learn about something before you try it…duh
definition off wikipedia..Hypochondriasis (or hypochondria, often referred to as health phobia or health anxiety) refers to an excessive preoccupation or worry about having a serious illness.[1] Often, hypochondria persists even after a physician has evaluated a person and reassured them that their concerns about symptoms do not have an underlying medical basis or, if there is a medical illness, the concerns are far in excess of what is appropriate for the level of disease.
….lol and I got called a retard..hahaha
Also #67 never listed any side effects they just said “don’t do it…it fucks your head up”…Specifics please??? what happened exactly for after a year of use or whatever for you to come out and say this?? I am very interested because I have only used for a month or two and if there are obvious long term effects that have been proven in non-hypochondriac people then you have my full attention and possible concern.
hi,
So pardon my retarded comment earlier, glad to know you took that so literally. I don’t think i’m a jack ass in that case either then, because i’m pretty sure thats a variety of donkey? If i’m correct? I understand you arent mentally handicapped or else you wouldnt have been able to write that novel of a comment back to me.
And yes I also agree taking excessive amounts within my first few uses was an extremely bad idea. but i’m pretty positive that spice and serenity now are the same thing; its the jwh 018 that has the effects, i’m not aware of anyone getting blown away by straight up CP 47497 (the other cannibinoid in the blends).
and yea if youre prone to anxiety, and a hypochondriac, you get anxious and face symptoms because you feel like something is wrong. its not something i can control, its just the way my brain is working. trust me, if you felt the way i’ve been feeling for a month and a half now, you wouldnt touch that shit again.
i still wish Dana from #67 would go into more depth about their comment.
i imagine it’ll take a while since he’s in the military and they most likely dont have much recreational computer access. if it means anything, he’s not the only one i’ve heard of that used it long term and now suffers from side effects. there arent any scientifically proven side effects, because theyve only tested toxicity and cytotoxicity in rats, but from studying people’s reactions i can tell they suffer from anxiety. it can be extremely emotionally detrimental and make you say shit like “this will fuck you up”.
thought i’d follow up my post. its hard to say for certain if my reaction would have been the same to a really potent batch of skunk . there was plenty of stress in my life last summer so all possible triggers . but like i said i’ve been smoking weed for 20 odd years and thats the scariest experience i’ve had on any drug. funny thing was it built each time i smoked it ( about 4 evenings over a few weeks , tiny 1 skins ).
if u ever try to look back at your mental state in the past from your present mental state its hard to be objective . but i’m cool now (7 months on) .still feel anxious sometimes , but then i think i always did. shit scared to ever smoke any of my beloved weed ever again , but things change .
like i said ,spice could have uneaven dosing and i and others could have had one hell of a hit , or we’re not used to the strong stuff . but something happened that night that flipped an old stone head right out and i wouldn’t ever touch it again .
to all those reading this who have flipped out it clears in time . read some of the anxiety self help pages lots of techniques that help . think this stuff lingers like thc on your brain for 3 months max , then the mental “ordeal ” lingers for a few more .
i knew a couple of people in my past who flipped on weed and took them a whole year to recover , but recover they did (one was off work for some of that time) they are both happy and balanced people now , but both still have bad reactions if they smoke weed to this day.
if you convince yourself that somethings “fucked u up” it will eventually , its called panic disorder ,its all in your head.
i’m a competing kickboxer and kitesurf instructor very in tune with my body and i can catagorically say that the lasting effects were mental , not physical , the “overdose” on the other hand was very physical !
DAVE, what side effects did you feel specifically? i find that when i dont take my ADD meds (which for some reason suppress some symptoms?) i feel pretty unsteady, in my own head, balance-wise at times. i still feel it on the meds, just not as much. is this anything like what you felt? because that feels more physical than any symptoms.
hi , for 2 weeks felt in a state of extreme anxiety (tight chest, heart palputations etc )with a feeling of being stoned ,scary faces everything a bit dreamlike . don’t remember my balance being off as such,but did feel faint and lightheaded . just gradually got better and better, like a nervous break down i presume .
had been stung by a weaver fish that day to , wondered at the time if something reacted with the poison ,but i don’t think so.
like i said was stressed at the time and looking back did have some anxiety going on, like i said though reaction was physical,aftermath was mental .
guy,think drugs just paint over the problem ,get some counciling , the brain has all the drugs u need , u just need to tap into them . cheers dave
Just another confirmation. I am an old school psychonaut who has used practically all forms of strong drugs over the course of 20 years in varying doses. I began experimenting with a blend and at first had nothing but positive experiences. After a month or so of very small doses (1-4 hits a day), I started having the anxiety attacks similiar to those reported by others here. To all the people who say it is harmless I wish you the best of luck. Trying to talk yourself down from a panic attack is not fun when that one toke ends up being an inconsistent dosage or just the final straw in your brain chem that sets off the nasties. Stick to natural if you can or at least be well informed as to the possible reprocussions of these blends.
yea so today i felt better than i have ever since the bad trip i had. this was very relieving, especially because it happened much earlier than i predicted. i’m not, but i feel almost 100% better. the only thing that changed was the vision in my right eye, which i would have thought to happen eventually because it used to be significantly better than my left, thus my different prescription contact lenses.
to those of you feeling like shit right now, do research on anxiety or general anxiety disorder, get some counseling if needed; but overall, get good sleep, eat healthy, GET EXERCISE and you’ll be fine! try not to worry so much!
guy with advice;
glad to hear you are better!
In my opinion guys, my honest opinion, you guys are just “tripping” really hard. You know, LSD and such can affect your vision after a trip. you are opening your mind ya know? that can be scary…
just my opinion. peace guys!
I have smoked spice for a couple of months now and every past experience was fun and pretty much felt like a strong weed high. Today MIGHT be the last time i will ever smoke Spice(i probably will smoke it again but i was a little scared) . I had the most intense high, this is the first time i have actually wanted to come down from a high or have been scared of a high. I smoke salvia all the time and not one time have i tripped like the way i did today. I really thought i was loosing my mind and i would be crazy forever. It lasted for about 5 hours. I was shaking and hallucinating and doing whatever possible to try and come back down to REALITY. I thought what was happening would just stay like this Forever! I could Understand how long eternity would be and it made things even worse.I thought The t.v., radio, and going outside would bring me back to REALITY but it made it even more intense. The tv was actually playing a stupid cartoon that had some lil bright colored cartoon and they were looking for their friends “cuckoo-clock” Then I really thought i was going crazy! Evrything that happened in the cartoon was what was happening to me in real life! I might have been close to an “OD” moment but i dont really think you can overdose unless your smoking pure JWH. This stuff is Good but be careful its not to play around with at all.
hi ben , be careful thats all i’m saying ! this is coming from a 40 something fella whos been there , and knows what a “bad” trip is , peace to u to !
thank you ben! im glad too. and Garret L. that sounds pretty scary and quite similar to mine. i actually saw dancing animals in mine, which is when i started freaking out big time. i was convinced nothing was real, and for some reason i couldnt recognize that any other people were with me even though two of my friends were in the room with me. i could only catch faint glimpses of what they were saying and this scared me a lot.
just thought id share a portion of my experience lol.
Smoking blends containing JWH-018 cause me to have three seizures to date.
Hey there every one,
i smoked this crap for about a month and quit.. Three weeks later i wound up in the hospital with the fast heart beats and panic attacks. They had to give me morphine and low pressor to slow down my heart. As a matter of fact that’s what they diagnosed me with (panic attacks). I had to go to the hospital three times in less than 24 hours. I wish I would have read this thread before I ever done this crap… It has been two weeks now and i am slowly getting over it.. But has anyone completely gotten over this crap.. I hope i haven’t messed up my life.. PLEASE DON’T DO THIS CRAP ITS NOT WORTH IT..
Thanks
oh my God dude, are you getting help?
yeah, I got help & i’m not the only one … expect this stuff to be illegal real soon
Hi
Has anyone gotten over this stuff. I hear about people getting better all the time. I know I am getting better. I would love to hear from people who have got over it.
Thanks
Garret
Well I am still goin a month strong on smoking this stuff…anywhere from a few hits, a joint, or a blunts worth and then some in a day. So far no bad trips, anxiety, stress etc. It sounds like it may just be a matter of time or who knows, maybe it just doesn’t affect me like that. I guess time will tell.
I did smoked about six grams before I finally had a panic attack. I literaly thought my heart was going to explode. The piece of shit who thought this stuff up should have a pineapple rammed up his or her ass. I haven’t smoked it in a week and my chest is still all tight. It’s the same story over and over again with just a few exeptions. Best bet is to not touch it in the first place. Has anyone actually died from this stuff?
And Cal please pull your head out and just smoke bud. There are plenty of ways around a piss test and it’s not gonna end well with this stuff man. You have only been doing it for a month quit while your ahead. Ur obviously worried about it if you keep commenting so just stop and do yourself a favor man.
hey i just want to let you know i took an herbal complete body clense and i feel 100% better.. give it a try
This “Dan” fellow sounds 100% fake to me…
nope i have been feling completely better.. maybe it just in my head but i figured i would share… best i have felt since i was in the hospital..
Tried something called Nirvana. Got me higher than I’d ever been before. Paranoia was strong and had the heart palpitations as well. Was scary, had to concentrate on my breathing because it seemed like it stopped. Been a weed smoker for 15+ years so I’ve got experience dealing with that high place that nobody likes to go to. Took about 1 hour to get back to a better working state of mind.
It only took about 4 tokes. Even high grade doesn’t get me like that in 5 tokes. Like every drug people will have to find a safe dosage for themselves.
I don’t recommend to anyone who is newbie or casual weed smoker. This is stronger than weed. It is not for beginners. Weed is for beginners this is a designer drug. Legal or not.
When mixing your own be careful to smoke a toke less than normal and wait about 15 minutes. You may already be there if not then take another. But ease your way up the ladder because once you’re in you can’t get back out until it passes.
SWIM thinks everyone using 018, analogues, designer drugs, and RCs should own at least a .01 gram scale, because eyeballing DOES NOT WORK. If one wishes not to get a mg or sub mg scale, they WILL probably overdose. Know your source and purity well. SWIM thinks long-term use of RCs and analogues is not smart over all, but it is doable if you are smart about how you do it. SWIM thinks if a person has never done RCs before, they should do some heavy research, perhaps learn something about how they work on your body (RCs and designer drugs are usually meant to “mimic” illegal drugs, that’s why many are legal). SWIM thinks people treat 018 and spice like mj, and then they trip bad. Then they come on forums and say that any drug that has unhealthy doses is bad. SWIM thinks people cannot always blindly rely on ANY drug, no matter what, even good old mj. If you want to swim like a shark, you have to accept that sharks can “sink” if they get sloppy. SWIM thinks responsibility is the best policy with drugs.
dan, what symptoms were you experiencing before the herbal cleansing?
heart palputaions, sudden high blood pressure and several panic attacks. also not feeling right for several weeks.. just felt strange.. since then i havent had any of these problems… also i have never had the problems before i did spice
JWH-018 is completely fine everyone is over reacting. Keep your doses under 20mg at a time. If you gain a tolerance give the shit a break. Thats that. Just be practical, and most important be cool.
Hi
I would just like to ask a question. Would smoking these legal smokes cause eye floaters?
Just took my monthy urine analysis and I passed. I’ve been off weed for 60 days. yes! thank you jwh! jwh did not show up as a false positive or effect any old metabolites in my system.
GARRET, SHUT THE FUCK UP! DO SOME FUCKING RESEARCH! YOU KEEP ON ASKING THE SAME GODDAMNED QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER!
“YEAH. I SMOKED 20 MG OF THIS STUFF THAT I DIDN’T DO ANY RESEARCH ON LAST NIGHT, HAD A PANIC ATTACK, BUT IT’S OK, I POPPED A FEW XANAX AND WENT TO BED. I WOKE UP THE NEXT DAY, DID SOME LSD, POPPED A PAIN PILL OR TWO AND I WAS ALRGHT… NOW I FEEL SUPER DEPRESSED AND I ALSO HAVE BLURRY VISION, BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHATSOEVER WHY I FEEL LIKE THIS”. THERE SEEMS TO BE A PATTERN HERE.
1) CLEARLY MOST OF YOU FUCK UPS HAVE ISSUES PREVIOUS TO TRYING JWH-018, BUT THIS IS NOW A GREAT SCAPE GOAT FOR YOU.
2) I LOVE HOW HALF OF YOU ADMIT TO HAVING DEPRESSION OR TAKING OTHER TYPE OF MEDICATIONS OR PRESCRIPTIONS AS IT IS.
3) IF YOU’RE NOT MENTALLY STABLE AS IS, THEN WHY WOULD YOU TRY A MIND ALTERING DRUG? IT GOES THE SAME WITH SHROOMS. IF YOU’RE DEPRESSED OR HAVE ANXIETY ATTACKS SHOULD YOU DO SHROOMS? NO. THE ANSWER IS NO. IF YOU’RE A !NORMAL! PERSON WITH CONTROL AND A REAL GRASP ON REALITY THEN YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY PROBLEMS!
IT’S SO WEIRD HOW ME AND 6 OF MY NORMAL FRIENDS (NO DEPRESSION OR OTHER HEALTH ISSUES, WE DON’T SMOKE WEED / POP PILLS, ALL HAVE STABLE JOBS AND GO TO SCHOOL) DECIDED TO TRY SPICE OUT FOR THE FIRST TIME LAST NIGHT. NEEDLESS TO SAY IT WAS ONE OF THE FUNNIEST TIMES OF MY LIFE. WE SMOKED 2 GRAMS OF SPICE ALL TOGETHER. WE LAUGHED AND JOKED AROUND FOR A GOOD TWO HOURS BEFORE I PASSED OUT AND HAD SOME OF THE BEST SLEEP I’VE EVER HAD IN MY LIFE. NO DISCOMFORT! NO ANXIETY! NO DEPRESSION! WOKE UP THIS MORNING FEELING LIKE A MILLION BUCKS. WE ALL DID OUR RESEARCH, KNEW HOW MUCH WE WANTED TO SMOKE, AND FUCKING SMOKED IT. IF YOU CAN’T HANDLE IT, THEN DON’T FUCKING DO IT. THERE IS ABOUT 95% ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD THAT NEED TO STOP USING SUBSTANCES AS THEIR LIFE CRUTCH AND GET A FUCKING LIFE.
Hi
I don’t drink, smoke or use any kind of drug’s anymore. Smoking cannabis or synthetic cannabinoids do not agree with me. I have learned from the experience. The last legal smoking blend I tried had a very negative effect on me that’s all. I went on this forum to find out if my experience was unique. The experience caused me to worry, so I asked a few questions. I don’t take medication. I don’t need it. I have normal human problems, so what. I also have a lot of strengths. So have you. I would not call them issues like you. In order for you to feel better about yourself you need to look down on other people. Are you serious? 1) CLEARLY MOST OF YOU FUCK UPS HAVE ISSUES PREVIOUS TO TRYING JWH-018, BUT THIS IS NOW A GREAT SCAPE GOAT FOR YOU. Remember, you are the guy doing drugs. If you are so stable, happy and have such a grasp on reality then why are doing drugs? Which one of the group has the brain cell, you or the other 6. God, I wish I was so normal like you. Stable jobs, you go to school, you don’t do drugs like all the other bad fucked up people. Jesus, you are so great. Who’s using the substances? To use the word issues, gives me a good idea to what kind of arrogant asshole you are. In fact I have a lot of compassion for people who are worse of then me.
Elvis has just left the building.
Here’s another story about a miserable experience on an “herbal incense” blend. I am female, 5’9, 150 lbs. I have smoked plenty of pot and I tried a different blend once before, “Swerve”, and found it wonderful. I wanted to have a good time with my friend so we bought a blend called “Bayou Blaster” as recommended by the people behind the counter and behind us in line.
We smoked out of a pipe in a park and felt nothing for a few minutes and then all of a sudden it hit me so hard.. I had never been that high in my life. Everything was incredibly distorted and my heart started pounding, so hard and so fast. I started to worry that something was seriously wrong. I tried to feel my pulse but was not exactly sure just how hard it was really beating, but what I felt (or imagined) must have put me up to 250 bpm. I literally thought my heart was going to explode. I’ve never felt so terrified.
I slowly got more high. We kept looking for a bench to sit down on and every time we’d find one it would just disappear. It turned into what felt like a 3 hour long panic attack. I couldn’t stop shaking and I ended up throwing up after trying to drink some water and eat crackers. I seriously considered calling an ambulance as I was sure I was going to die. Everything was moving and I really just wanted it to stop. I fell asleep and woke up a few hours later glad to be sober and alive.
The next day, I’m not still high or anything but I’m still having minor chest pains. I’m considering having an EKG done.
All in all, I think that smoking these blends is a horrible idea. The packages don’t even tell you which chemicals are in them, on top of them barely even being researched.
Wow. A full blown soap opera! LOL. Getting high.
Not getting high vs getting high. Legal vs Illegal. Naturals vs Synthetics. Slaps on the hand vs no slaps on the hands. I can drink all night and live a normal life vs I can’t handle drinking all night and live a normal life.
The “people” vs “the government”.
Damn, I had a bad trip vs Damn, I had a good trip. I need a crutch vs I don’ t need a crutch. Paranoia vs Non-Paranoia. Panic attacks vs no panic attacks. I self medicate vs I don’t self medicate.
I have just finished reading through all the posts to this blog about “JWH-018″.
This is what happens when people have forgotten that they have a responsibility to “know thyself” and be accountable. Oops. Sorry it sounds like I am preaching to the choir.
But all in all this has been a very successful blog. It has exposed “our humanity” and what is “socially acceptable” or “socially unacceptable”!
Everyday we face a “battlefield of thoughts” that are relentless and will remain that way.
Now as I have read the last post I saw the word “compassion” it has occured to me that this is what has been lost.
I pray we can all return to this compassion to defeat the never ending need to fight and be right or to fight and destroy.
There is “no fear” in love. Easily said, but not so easily lived.
Thank you for a place to share my thoughts and to sit and hope that in the end we can “learn” compassion.
Now I am going get my bong and enjoy some bliss.
i see that everyone here blames the JWH-018 and fails to think about the actual herbs you are smoking. Ive done some research on some of these brands and they have herbs in it known to cause severe side effects in some people. not to mention that anything coming in a vacuum sealed package is being shipped from over seas and you dont know whats in it. i use black mamba and mr spicy green and as long as you dont treat it like weed and try to puff a whole bunch ive had no issues what so ever. i got so ripped i could barely walk but i didnt have a panic attack. its a drug be prepared. you need to understand this stuff is 100x stronger than THC. what do you think is gonna happen when you are not responsible? in low dosages its a wonderful experience. use sparingly and think before you delve into a new thing. buy from the black mamba family its the best out there and it never has anything but the JWH-018 and the herbs listed. none of which are harmful. unless of course you have allergies.
I am looking for recipes. Take how many mg of Jwh-018 and what liquid do I add it to and how much herb do I need to apply it to? Thank You,
Scott
Here is a link to a forum that has different variations of spice recipes.
http://www.rollitup.org/hallucinatory-substances/173480-make-your-own-spice.html
My user name on there is Skinnbonez37 and you can see the exact recipe I used to make 50 grams of spice. I just finished selling and smoking all my first batch which lasted me about a month, and I’ve been smoking other blends for over two months and still no “tweak out’s” or “panic attacks”.
To everyone else out there smoking this stuff and getting panic attacks I’m starting to wonder if we are smoking the same stuff. I know many people in my town that have smoked plenty of this stuff and none of them have had any panic attacks which leads me to believe there may be some bad batches floating around of Spice. Which might have other things mixed in with them causing these episodes for people. What do I know though that’s just IMO.
Can we just have some COMPASSION for a few bad apples in the barrel.
I would definitely say you have to smoke this stuff in moderation, I smoked about 2 bowl fulls of Vision and I felt lyk I honestly was going to die..increases heart rate, I could hear my head thumping lyk crazy..I literally just laid and prayed I wouldn’t die and just calmed myself down. I smoked 2 bowls of spice gold and got stoned out of my mind..it was a less intense high but it felt very heavy on my chest headaches, dizziness, and it lasted clear into the next day.. Honestly, this shyt has nothing on weed..not even close. Definitely do some research and don’t approach thi lyk weed or be in for a Bad Trip..take it r leave it. Peace
This is really starting to sound like there are just some blends out there that are either too strong, or mixed with other things causing these problems. So not all spice mixtures are bad…but some have the potential to be I guess? Like E$ said…don’t approach it like weed if it’s your first time..because it’s not weed..
@idiot
it’s funny that you mention Bayou Blaster I toked that shyt and one bad episode(cleared 3 bowls) So I can definitely relate…I hit it too hard and I thought I wouldn’t make it..lol
Out of four of my friends I was the only one who tripped out, my other brhs hit that shyt non stop–so I guess it all depends, weird tho cuz I’m about 6’3 190 they are all avg 5’8 175ish..i can handle weed & brew very well but that shyt took me to my knees haha so yea “Toker beware”..
I’m wondering if anyone has ever died from this?? Either way..it’s not worth it, stick too low hashes of spice, fuk that off- brand shyt
@ the EOD is at all really worth it?
Very interested in hearing of individuals recovery from these spice blends.
someone who isn’t me purchased Spike99 Ultra and Mojo, had smoked very little amounts of each. (About 2 hits each session) over 4 sessions each spaced out between different weeks everything was fine and the product seemed to be nice.
On the 5th session (6 days ago) after again only 2 hits, things went very bad. Strong tremors developed through the body and would come in waves, heart rate seemed extremely strong and fast, mind racing in many directions. A feeling of possible death was present. This experience lasted about 1.5 hours.
The week following this event has been difficult for this individual. There has been a constant sense of being off balance and light headed. A sense of overall not-well being has accompanied these symptoms and something resembling panic attacks have been taking place. Trying to calm down is very difficult at times. Vision is mostly normal with slight shaking. Individual notices concentrating is more difficult. Slight nausea is also felt at times.
This individual is hoping these symptoms go away and that life will again be ‘normal’. This individual hopes he will come out of this horrible ordeal.
The past 6 days have been very scary.
If there are others that have experienced this and have had these symptoms fade away. Please post.
Hi
You will be fine. It was good that this has happened to you; you are now more aware. You will get better over time. This stuff is way more stronger than THC. You mind is in shock. Some individuals get like this after weed; after a bad trip. The feelings you are experiencing are normal. I spoke to a friend recently who counsels people with addictions and he told me he meets people all the time who have had very bad episodes with the head stores here in Ireland. One patient described the feeling as something akin to shell shock, that’s the way he felt. He felt like he had just walked out of a building were a bomb had just gone of. I know it sounds a bit funny; but it’s true. Don’t touch this stuff again; if you don’t learn from this you are a fool. That’s the body telling you that what you have put into your body is very bad indeed. Don’t mind the other idiots who take the stuff. We are all different; in other words you don’t really know what this stuff could do to you. And keep away from weed and hash(all drugs). Imagine being stuck with side effects for the rest of your life. For example HPPD(look it up). That’s it my friend, never, I repeat never put that shit into your system again. Your life starts from today. And don’t look back. Speak to a good counselor if you fell very bad, someone who has been in the dark, so to speak. He will help you. Just ask. This to shall pass
Good luck.
Garret
It could take a year to recover.
Don’t smoke hash or weed. It will not be a nice experience, trust me, you will swing right off reality into a shit hole again.
Lol there is nothing wrong with weed and hash or else there wouldn’t be hundred’s of thousand’s of marijuana users. Weed is fine…how many cases are there where some one has OD’d on weed?? How many deaths were caused by smoking weed?
i think he is reffering to the Soaked Receptors that may provide a Flash Back to that bad trip if agitated by weed or hash, i HAVE done too much jwh (22mg) and also my mind told me i was starting to die, the stress became unbearable as i thought of my two children, my wife, my mom, my dogs…it was BAD BUT i kept myself rational that its ok , Panicking will make it WORSE (true in my case) and I felt like I needed Water, im talking like my mind was saying drink water and you will not die! I did drink and felt much better within 10 min. Its weird that our minds can ‘tell’ us things. I know my mind was saying, too much too quick and now im dehydrating! I stopped jwh for a week, smoked a J and had similar experience to the bad trip. after that ive switched to 73 and i have no more freak outs or issues!
Buyer Beware! 18 is active between 1mg-3mg if its Good Quality! I bought from a research chemical place and it took 14mg to get any feeling ( waiting 30 min betwwen dose to make sure) so i got used to that ratio , so when i got my hands on GOOD stuff i thought i would be care ful and only try 10mg (half of my previously succesful trial) and i felt the ‘fear’ so i know that in the future i will ALWAYS start with one mg and work way up slowly…. Cut, Weak suppliers are DANGEROUS! people think that a 15mg-25mg dose is safe after using a impure/cut product and they get used to such a high ratio when they do get good stuff or reach an uncut spot of there baggie they are in for a fright!
hey synchronium can you delete my last post 165 in retrospect i shouldn’t have posted so much , i will repost about the dangers of getting used to stepped on product minus the other details
Our minds tell us we’re going to die because we are going to die. The JWH makes it more obvious to us, it hits home harder when you trip on JWH. You might not die today but you will die; it is unavoidable and impossible. I also think of death from time to time while tripping on JWH or other hallucinagens; and it is frightening but it also just reality.
You fear death because you fear life. Give up the drugs and face reality would you. Notice what this stuff is going to your brain.
http://www.moillusions.com/2008/11/3d-chalk-drawings-update.html
That is a trippy thing, feeling like i am dieing,not ‘realizing its inevitable…i know that..i just kept thinking shit…what have i done…i feel like im spinning into a different reality in and out…need water…need cold water…solution to pollution is dilution… kept repeating that because I’ve learned it in a survival training course
About all my post…I am totally making it all up, i am a researcher who is studying the sub culture to write my book on the problems of marijuana prohibition and the economic solution that lies in Total decriminalization and legalization! I DO NOT smoke pot or anything else but kools . I do have friends and family who smoke because of ms, cancer and what not.
It is a miracle to see how it changed their lives from misery and not being able to function independently due to pain to total freedom and enlightenment and they got their appetite back! which means no more stomach tube feedings!
I am in the navy and found out about the legal smoking blends before they became main stream and all. Having being a person who enjoyed smoking weed i quickly fell in love with the ability to get stoned everyday without worrying about a drug test. Now as i believe i am a reasonably intelligent person i made a choice to not over do it with this stuff and chose to only do it periodically, mostly on a social basis and i have to say i have had nothing bad to say about my usage until last night and i feel it is the result of long term use or perhaps i used a blend that was way too strong for a therapeutic dose.
having said that, what ensues now is a detailed flashback of the WORST thing i have ever experienced in my life…
As similar with some people i smoked last night as to relax myself and prepare for bed. i smoked a normal bowl sized amount of happy shaman herbs specifically the humboldt gold. i finished the last hit and i quickly came under the influence and as minutes passed the buzz intensified unlike it has ever done before. now i like the different mind set that most experience along with the depersonalization and dissocialization that people speak of, however as the symptoms worsened the buzz transitioned from a psychological effect to a deathly terrifying physiological effect. i layed myself down on the bed and being in the medical field i took note of these negative effects.
from this experience i noticed my heart was racing and i was having some chest pains which radiated down my left arm. the other most noted sensation was a feeling similar to feeling like my brain was moving inside my head most notably in the center of my head. the sensation was not painful but i felt like my head was being split from the inside out and it would wash over me in waves. alot of people speak of an aura right before having a seizure and i think i was experiencing something like that. i felt like i had to make a conscious effort to hold myself together and not DIE. also i felt like the waves would start in my spine and would sort of float up through my head giving me the sensation my brain was splitting from the inside out. Honestly i felt like i was dying so i started walking to try to keep from losing control as i spoke of earlier and gradually the symptoms subsided and i went back to bed.
today i woke feeling normal for the most part but i still feel like there are some residuals of last night still active but being young i dont feel it is a threat.
hopefully my experience will help someone or open others to the fact that just like most things this stuff catches up with you. it is my personal choice to never use this stuff again because i seriously feared for my life last night and do not want to experience this again. for you die hards all i can say is have fuuuuuuun and be careful.
AbSyNtHeTiCs; please note in your research that i have been pulled over on routine traffic stop (my friend was driving and speeding) and searched. The cop found our jwh-018 blend and was not bothered by it at all. He said he knew about it and it’s legal as of now.
Heya guys, this seems to be the most posted thread on this subject that I have seen. I have been using my own spice blend for about a week now. I found out about jwh 018 through a local newspaper, that pretty much taught me how to make it. I ordered a premixed herbal insense and 2g of Jwh 018. this 1st batch i made I have been smoking 2 to 3 times a day for 7 days. No issues so far, however I do kinda wig out that I am smoking a chemical. As far as i have read (with about 2 months of daily research) there has been both positive (claims of helping w/ prostate, and not toxicity reports) and negative reports (1000x worse than cigarettes, seziures), but when the dice are on the table no one really knows anything. Its been very hard to find citable research (if anyone has some pls let me know), but both sides of the fence are filled w/ ppl that say they are right. I dont know which side i am on, like i said its been just a week, but the lack of supply in my location makes it a hell of a lot safe/ legaler (is that a word?). When it gets down to it, if the Marijuana Prohibition would end/ wound never have been put in place, I highly doubt that this drug would have been invented, or we’d be having this discussion now. Most of what has been posted have been opinions, Im looking for facts. Can anyone help me out?
10 days now and life is up and down for SWIM (someone who isn’t me). Horrible. Every morning exactly as waking up anxiety flows in quickly. This anxiety subsides but it is difficult to control. Through out the day panic comes and goes. Mainly in the morning. As the afternoon comes around the individual sometimes feels entirely as if back to ‘normal’ this feeling can last all the way until waking up again the next morning. This in itself is discouraging to SWIM and very depressing. However, this is still much better than the first 6 days. There is some hope of SWIM regaining a normal life again.
The entire first 6 days every moment of life was in a partial daze. Eyesight was not exactly shakey, seems as if the eyes don’t want to focus and lock onto one object, rater dart around the area where they are trying to focus. It is a hard symptom for SWIM to describe. Now on day 10 this is not always happening to SWIM.
SWIM was VERY aware of his heart rate during the first 6 days. SWIM measures his blood pressure and heart rate frequently now. Blood pressure and heart rate are usually increased during the episodes of panic. Much less so now. Now during panic swim feels slight tightness near his heart/chest, not extreme racing heart rate as before, SWIM thinks this is an improvement but sill slightly worrysome (maybe possible trauma from all of this). When SWIM feels ‘normal’ there is no chest tightness virtually at all. Overall now blood pressure and heart rate readings are fairly consistent with ‘normal’ which is good.
Balance seems to be off. Almost as if on a boat in very, very calm water. This adds to the panic and the developing depression because it is hard to regain composure and focus on normal aspects of life when the panic and balance issues are at work. When feeling ‘normal’ during phases of the day this is not present.
Every day SWIM wishes he never found these products. SWIM reads of people taking 2 weeks, 1 month, 2 months, 5 months, 1 year to be back to ‘normal’. SWIM agonizes over this amount of time and is hoping for a fast recovery.
These symptoms have greatly impacted SWIM’s ability to work; this has added extra panic of losing SWIM’s job.
SWIM used to drink before this incident (has not sense) SWIM used to use marijuana in the past (at least 2 years ago). SWIM has never had any mental issues or been on any medications through out all of life.
SWIM worries he will never be fully back to normal, he hopes that sharing his story and possible recovery will help SWIM to find others like him and more answers while also helping others that may be suffering from the same problems and searching out more information.
SWIM asks that if more individuals can post their bad experiences and how they began to return to normal it is appreciated greatly.
SWIM would like to stress to others, this is no joke. This happend from the smoking blends, very little ammounts, and not from the pure chemical. SWIM understands many HAVE NOT been hurt from these products. SWIM HAS. Please take this story to heart.
I’m getting a little tired of these seemingly fake “horror stories”.
This ^ seems pre-written to me to achieve a different goal, i.e. **cking with people.
is it not possible he some how soaked his receptors and is experiencing aftershocks? or is it in his psyche and he is over-thinking it or dwelling on the panic of the incident? I know the medical bills and the authorities pressure after going to ER would be enough to traumatize ones mental status
Ben-
SWIM hopes that you never experience something like this EVER. This horror story is SWIM’s life!
It may be possible that it is lingering effects or some type of stress associated with the first panic. Whatever the cause, SWIM hopes it goes away eventually and can return to normal. SWIM would not wish this on anyone.
SWIM has never had such stress, anxiety, and depression in his entire life up until this point coupled with the other symptoms which now seem to go and come.
SWIM can only advise to be careful, SWIM’s personal experience is terrible. Everyone is different. If there was not others which posted similar experiences on the internet SWIM would be losing his mind right now!
Oneday-
How did swim take it? Smoking? Eating?
How much did swim take? mg wise
How long did Swim use? Was Swim a chronic mj smoker?
Swim drank b4? how much?
Most important, was SWIM taking it straight as a poweder? if so what color was the powder? or did Swim get get it as a pkg of insense?
-To all other posters
Does anyone have any documented FACTS, not opinions not expiriences. Im looking for any clinical documentented citable information, any links sites books, anything is helpful.
exactly, provide some real information…you probably felt your heart beating to hard because you become more aware of your heart on jwh. this probably led to the panic attack am i right?
I searched for a while online and only came across a few somewhat sketchy looking toxicology reports. Nothing really solid, documented, or citable though. Which really sucks because yes we would all love a group of scientists to get together perform a bunch of thorough and extensive testing on these Spice’s so we know just what exactly could happen to us. Until that happens though all we have to go off of is our own personal experiences and opinions (mainly experiences). Which as of lately I am not sure where everyone lives who has been having these terrifying sounding episodes of panic attacks etc. I wonder if it is just happening in certain areas of the world perhaps all using the same distributor? or if there is any relation between these cases besides the main ingredient JWH-018. Like perhaps there is another additive being used, or the solvent being used to dissolve the JWH is maybe causing these “attacks” ? I am still going strong on about 3 months now of smoking this stuff and I have had no such attacks. I have smoked anything from a few puffs a day to multiple bowls/blunts in a day and no attacks for me. Of course that is just my own experience and that’s why this blog is here. To share our experiences and what we “think” we know.
wow ! thought i’d pop back to see what was happening in this post , seem to be a few more “bad trips”.
i’m totally “normal’ now . took 6 months though of feeling a bit better every day . the experiences people have experienced are spot on to mine . from the research i did after the “event” it sounds to me we’ve all experienced full blown panic attacks . people use the term for anxiety sometimes , a panic attack is very different though , very intense feelings of doom and physical symtoms of chest pain racing heart fainting , basically feeling your going to die ! on par with the worst experience of my life anyway.
apparently its common after you have a panic attack for it to trigger an anxiety disorder ,from which it can take some time to recover . the first week or two i thought i had gone mad ,i have to say .
i never felt my body was under performing ,i do some high intensity sport ,so i presume the effect was mental harm and not physical.
i’ve dabbled in most drugs in my life and was a regular smoker, i know what a bad trip is ,times that by 10 and stick it in your pipe and smoke it !
weed was the love of my life , my harmless friend , i’ve not dared spark one up since , think my mind just gave me a warning ,i’m heeding it ! stick to the real thing something not right with this stuff!
indeed, many are experiencing panic attacks because they cannot quite cope with the fact that their heart is a tiny simple organ capable of stopping at any moment. death looms upon us every day. we are guilty we are sinners it’s all true.
understand you are “tripping” on jwh just like other psychadelic drugs and yes this includes Mary Jane. Mary Jane just has so much pain killer in it that it is the perfect little smoke lol.
I have considered taking a break from JWH because too much of ANYTHING is a bad thing…
seems this forum is divided ,some who have experienced something so scary that they feel the need to warn others (myself for one,first time i’ve used forums like this) and others who refuse to believe that something that is giving them pleasure could also dish out so much pain.
i honestly don’t want anyone to go through the mental shock it gave me , be careful , whats wrong with weed anyway, same price ?
nothing is wrong w/ weed. JWH is WAY cheaper, but the problem i find is availabilty. The internet is always open, but my town is always dry….. I’d smoke weed anyday, but most of the time, its not an option.
Stumbled on this thread, thought id pitch in some advice. Alcohol, marijuana, LSD or basically any psychoactive can bring out anxiety, sleep problems etc – where they most likely already exist latently. The mind is a delicate thing, often poorly understood by its user…
If you experience problems, cease all drug usage. If you think you may have a pre-existing issue, dont start.
Here is some advice for people struggling for control of their mind: Dialetic Therapy (DBT) and mindfulness. (Both are used in the mental health industry). These are based on eastern practices like meditation. You see most people dont realise they have a break on their thoughts (STOP! – mindfulness), or a capacity for thought regection/checking (No thats not right, this is! – DBT). With practice in both these techniques, anxiety even delusion and other problems can be avoided. The simplist technique is simply to _do_ but not think. Try going for a walk, or doing the dishes, _without_ thinking or reflecting. It requires practice but is invaluable to the psychonaut, the mentally troubled, the spiritualist and basically everyone. But the stupid west is so backward about mind we treat these things with pills (Only in the last ten years or so have we realised mindfulness etc helps with mental problems, from bi-polar, to anxiety, to psychosis, to borderline personality. In years to come, hopefully these illnesses will have fully non-drug, cause based therapies, rather than drug, symptom based treatments)
Ive seen many things blamed for peoples mental problems, from upbringing, genes, brain chemical levels (by mainstream medicine, with _no_ evidence for the theory no less!), drugs. None of that is causally proven, so even if true, is pure conjecture. The brain is simply not that well understood, on a physical level. And none of that matters!!! At the end of the day, its your thought process that will damn or save you, right? Focus on what matters in such trying times – your mental balance (Ie if you have troubles, give some basic mindfulness and DBT a go. You dont have to chant or sit crosslegged, just be more aware of any crap that comes in your head, and try to think less)
You might also consider a very mild relaxant, like chamomile tea, plenty of excercise, some social contact and good food…
Also, in what I guess is now a side note, initial toxicology on JWH indicates no organ damage or toxicity- might help some of you hypercondriacs….
another horror story,dont doubt,doubters
i now have to take etifoxin and prazepam ,me who hate pills
cause it make one month my heart do a race all day long,and one month ive the feeling to be never truly awaken with vertigo,very scary
particulary thanks to “herb” and “ice gold resin”
i just feel “good” when im lying on a bed or instead when i do a physical effort and meet new(interesting) peoples but im easily tired
yes im a chronic little hypocondriac
yes my life is shit
yes ive smoked weed for 12 years before(but never try other drugs)
but i have never experienced panic attacks like that and the scarying “residual”state where i am now
i hope i will recover and not become a pills addict
herbal blends are not miracle for sure
i try them all from spice silver to the evil ice gold
weed is milk in comparison
The people with “horror stories” should frankly not do drugs periodz.
I smoke serenity everyday and I’m fine. Some people just can’t fuckin handle it and that’s that
Thanks for the actual info those of you that provided it
I’m new to the designer drug seen…and have smoked weed for 10 years…I tried this stuff had panic attacks, pains in my left shoulder, bad mood changes and now having kidney problems…back and stomach pain..has anyone experienced anything like this
I’ve been smoking on and off for about 30 years and just tried some of the blends on the internets for the past month. I have had no ill effects at all. I have one of those little cigarette one hitters that I use, I’d never think of smoking this in a blunt or anything bigger than what I already have.
For me these blends work out better than getting the real deal. Having two kids and a wife doesn’t merit me a lot of time to chase the real deal down. I just don’t have the time to do that and just don’t want to put myself in situations like that either. Plus my office also has DTs. So in my book this is a good alternative.
Use it in moderation. If you’ve never tried the blends before do so in small quantities so you can learn how it will hit you.
lou eason
Yes there are many stories of people having bad reactions on these spices. As for me personally i have had pretty much all of your symptoms except for the kidney problems.. There are also many people on here who have had no problems at all so I believe it affects every person differently.. i stop smoking this crap three months ago but I am still having the side effects from it.. There are getting easier but still there. Hope this helps
i have been smoking serenity now for about a solid yeah, i go through 2g a week (casual smoker) but due to it being costly (and i being a student) i decided to make my own.
for the dry herb i decided i wanted to try2 different herbs and decided to make 2 batches, i waned herbs that tasted and smelled good, and also something smooth burning, i decided to go with mullein and damania.
the recipe i went by recommended 1g of jwh to 75g of herb, that was the supposed right mix, my buddy an i wanting something a lil more potent decided to go with 60g. so 2 batches of 30g herbs with 1/2g jwh each.
i dont recommen being high when u do this cause we fucked it up pretty badly. we thouht the lil pocket scale we purchased weighed in pounds when it was actually ounces, so instead of weighing out 30g we actually only weighed out 3g…(“damn dude, for some reason i thought it woud be more then this, oh well…”) we did our research, found the 100% pure acetone, it was in the paint section at walmart, check the MSDS sheets for it, didnt find any denetonium benzoate (u dont want it, the most bitter substance)…long story short, we ended up naming it Forbidden fruit, u cant smoke more then 1 hit without tripping hardcore, the other day we took 2 hits and went into barnes and noble lookin for some art books and we ended up getting lost inside for bout half hour, finaly decided to sit on the floor and act like we were reading…
the 2nd batch we perfected and ended up perfect, all my friends love it, i love it, and it gets the job done just fine
if anyone wants the perfected recipe, just lemme know, but whatever u do, STAY THE FUCK AWAY FROM THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT!
no really, u can only take one hit
Well Florida has a real problem along with a few other states and now we have Charlie Crist proposing a ban on all spice in Florida. Not only that but we have HB187 that will put most head shops out of business. Im asking for all of your help and contact Charlie Crist and make him stop this ban on spice. This is the only job ive been able to get in 2 years and now its on the verge of becoming illegal.
Please help me keep this stuff legal.
Charlie Crist
Phone: 850-488-7146
Fax: 850-487-0801
Mailing Address:
Office of the Governor
The Capitol
Tallahassee, FL 32399-0001
States that have proposed bills to make spice illegal
Illinois
Missouri
Kansas currently illegal
Florida
Georgia
Louisiana
Ohio
Michigan
New York
Mississippi
Kentucky
Alabama
Help fight to keep this stuff legal. Its been shown to be way safer than prescription drugs and is employing many people including myself. I do not want to lose another job.
One of the big problems we have is that these products are unregulated and you do not know whats in it when you buy it. Anyone can slap a serenity sticker on a container or produce packages with that name and you would never know. Ive tried many different blends and I can tell you they all differ in some way. Someone can be making this in the basement of their home for all you know. Be sure you know where it comes from and whats in it. Some plant sources are harmful so be aware.
Personally I had a panic attack because i tried to smoke way way too much but all it was is my reaction to the feeling it gave me and nothing more. I calmed myself told myself it was all in my head and the bad feeling went away in a few minutes. Now that ive experienced the hype I know that its nothing more that a sub conscience reaction that I can easily overcome no matter how high I get. To me it was like a bad acid trip. Its all up to you to make that experience pleasant and thats what I experienced.
Ive been doing drugs for a long time and know what to expect so it was no surprise that I hasd a panic attack. It started with my breathing. It made my chest numb and I reacted to that experience. Once I got back to whats real and whats not I was perfectly fine enjoying my high as usual. I had a pain in my lung but I discovered that was all in my head too. Maybe there are real problems with this stuff, but I have to say that for me it was all mental and not physical. It seemed like it was physical but I got over it real quick and I do not experience it anymore.
Maybe from the many years of doing drugs I can determine reality from fiction I dont know, But at least be ready and responsible with any thing you ingest.
Enjoy and be safe
Somethings that need to be said. A LOT of people are describing the same experiences who ARENT on jwc-018 and its due to astrological features. Mercury retrograde in taurus for example. If you look at the dates of some posts it falls in the april 17-may 11th period. Things arent over till the 28th of may. I think it was a plot to advertise spice on tv on april 13th to get people on jwc-018 for this period which exacerbated the symtoms. Look up cannabis indica (cannabis i.) in the homeopathic pages and books and go “woah”. Get checked by a chinese medicine doctor. Get on some herbs. Antidotes for marijuana intoxication are mung beans and also pidgeon peas. The latter is better. Do *not* mix it orally and smoke. I think this leads to ISOPATHY which drives a condition deeper. Flower remedys of agrimony for fear and rescue remedy. Ironically, Hemp will also detoxify. Drink hemp seed milk and eat bars with hemp. When I was 5 I ate 5-6 hash brownies by accident, I know what intoxication is and its not fun.
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Concerned, do you think isopathy can be countered with diametrical herbal synergistics? For example I always have sexual trouble when Mercury is retrograde in taurus, more specifically I cannot maintain erection. But I find consecration of the biomass with diametresis can help this. Smoking mung bean infused with jwc-018 is recombinative, nullifies fear, elevates remedy. Impotence is neutralized and vigorous erection is maintained throughout coitus and beyond. Very much in line with known tenets of homeopathy, for whereas jwc-018 in isolation can induce neuronal retrograde, synergized with mung bean produces a counter-retrograde when smoked that is a palliative and detox multiplier.
Food for thought.
@ Concerned
What is this “jwc” business? If you mean JWH, be aware that it’s not exactly THC. The treatment sounds tasty- mung beans and pidgeon peas- well, maybe with bacon. And if I had a farm, seems to me it’d take a whole field in order to grow enough hemp seeds to even make a glass of hemp seed milk. Sounds expensive! Plus, if someone’s had too much JWH-018, I can’t imagine going through all the effort of getting the poor soul to choke down mung beans and pidgeon peas, even if I had the luxury of a glass of hemp seed milk to offer them, to wash it down with. Egads, man! This is serious stuff. Have you tried it?
@People @ home:
If you find yourself in a state of having taken too much jwh-XXX, the first logical thing to do is to not take any more jwh, jwc, or any other chemicals, for the time being.
Next, it’s important to remember: stay relaxed, and do not panic. There’s no need to panic. The effects don’t last that long. You will notice them slowly subside. With the power of your spirit, and the right of your self to exist comfortably in this place and time, you will be able to (and remember to!) breath slowly, calmly. You will smile and have a warm and wonderful feeling of confidence as a result. Next, you should try to dilute whatever you’ve ingested. If you’re nauseous, start lightly. Clear liquids is the key, especially at first, then work your way up to solid food as you’re able. But diluting is good. “Comfort food” rocks, but don’t eat too much or it’ll counteract the “comfort.” Rest. Breathe. It’ll be over. If you have someone near who you trust, all the better. Actually, you should not be cooking if you’ve had too much JWH. It really isn’t safe to be around dangerous temperatures if you are extremely high. But you should dilute the jwh as you can.
If you take more than the normal dose and/or you feel like you need medical help, call 911.
I have personally taken a huge oral dose of 99.7-99.8% jwh-018. It was my first time, a memory I can now laugh about. At the time, I was nervous, and was trying to be somewhat conservative, have just a tiny taste, so I would not end up “panicking, from taking even a little bit too much.” I’d spent dozens of hours reading all that I could about the jwh class of chems, read the whole range of wonderful to nightmarish reports. With my new little scale I attempted to measure between 3 and 4 mg. I figured 5 would be OK, if it happened to end up that way, you know, instead of having to go through all the trouble of having to put some back into the little bag and all. Anyway, I dropped a tiny aluminum foil cup onto the scale, then tared it to 0.000g. I carefully pressed the fragile cup, and the numbers went up; when I let go, the numbers went back to 0.000g. Beauty! I took a tiny penknife blade, carefully used its tip to obtain “half of a rice grain” in volume of the jwh, transferred it into the tiny foil cup, and voila! The readout said 0.000g. Hmm. I tested it by gently pressing the blade onto the little cup again until it showed around 0.040g, then I lifted the blade and it went back to 0.000g. For some strange reason, it got me to thinking that what I’d put in the cup already was less than half a mg. [It still, to this day, seems quasi-logical] So I put more jwh into the cup. Still nothing but zeroes. I added more. Oh, finally! The readout said something new! 0.012g. Cool. Ah. There was something strange… but… hey, I had numbers now. One point two mg, I thought, . I had only wanted to try a small amount the first time, naturally, just to get a feel for it. Another scoop. 0.019g. Another. 0.025. Wow. Seemed like a lot more volume than what I’d read it would be. Two and a half mg, huh? No. No way. I knew I could handle more than that. I’ve taken shaman-level, and then some, doses of various “magic” mushrooms, PCP twice, LSD (one time over 100 hits at once) and other drugs, the worst ever being alcohol. Two and a half mg of jwh-018? Ha! Child’s play! Another scoop went into the cup, and another. “Jeez, Wally, that’s a lot of powder in there.” “Gosh, leave me alone, squirt.” Yep, I decided that 3.5 mg was small enough in weight, yet strangely it looked bigger than what I was led to believe. I had a feeling I should stick with what I had and not add any more. I tested it it by pressing lightly and letting go. It read 0.037g. Close enough, I thought, and dumped the powder straight into my open and upturned mouth. It was slightly tan/off-white powder and small crystals, tasteless. It didn’t dissolve in my saliva, as was expected, so I tried a small amount of a name-brand peanut butter and found that it helped more or less dissolve. Swallowed it all down with tapwater, rinsed and swallowed several times afterwards, then waited, all the while telling myself that everything would be OK, that I am not one to panic even if I do take a huge amount of something strong. Yeah, this was going to be a piece of cake. I waited about a half hour and then realised that I had taken thirty five mg… no thirty-seven mg! Not three and a half… no… 35mg! I felt like an idiot, then I started to panic about my impending panic attack I would surely have because I took too much jwh, and there was no turning back now, and- oh- that’s right. I was not going to panic, but was determined to enjoy the experience, instead.
And I did. When a touch of anxiety or panic crept up, I saw it for what it was, and it stopped. Overall, it was like eating a large quantity of excellent bud, without the yummy taste and spectrum of other chemicals alongside THC that make real bud a better (IMHO) overall experience than JWH. Pounding heart, shortness of breath, paranoia? No way. I was not even close to that. The scariest thing of all was being afraid of the panic attacks I thought I would surely have. It’s nonsense. Apparently JWH-class chems, like great buds, help provide experiences that are, in the end, what I choose to make of them. It was fun, actually, and after three or four hours I felt secure that the most intense part was over. Tastes were affected. I noticed moments of different flavors, while not even eating– like for a few seconds I tasted intense strawberry and it was gone, then I tasted bleu cheese and it was gone. It seemed kind of funny at the time, so I started imagining different flavors– prime rib, and it’s gone, cherimoya, and it’s gone. It was very much like the pot feeling except for an odd “opposite” sort of sense that is hard to describe, but I guess it’s like I got quick mental flashes of the opposites of things. I felt quite baked, anyway. I ate a lot, then went to bed. The next day I awoke feeling groggy and half stoned. I hadn’t felt that way in decades. The stuff was great at relieving my back pain, too, but I’d taken quite a lot of it. I ended up being respectful of, but definitely not afraid of, the JWH class of chems. It’s like super high-grade bud that’s missing… something. I have learned over a two-week period how to eye the doses closely enough. Yep, I’m more conservative now, for sure, taking about 12mg PO. It takes nearly 3 hours to really start hitting, and even then it seems pretty mild. I tried one of those glass pipes for vaping it, but the powder turned to liquid and started avoiding the flame. I had to chase the little drops all around the glass sphere. It didn’t ever really seem to burn, so I retired the stupid glass pipe.
I’m not seeing myself going to the ER for taking even 50mg. 35mg was pretty fun, once I remembered my strength. It wasn’t frightening or feel life-threatening at all. It was not as powerful or encompassing as I had feared.
i too have had similiar trips smoking my “forbidden fruit” which is composed of 500mg bonded to only 3g of herb, which i keep in a special lil baggy
i think the the diff between jwh and THC is u can definitly focus in more on ur body physically and how everything works inside, i have caught myself having to make myself breath, cause if i didnt, if i stopped thinking about it i would stop breathing, i found i could control my pulse, and somehow my blood pressure
my gf dosnt touch it nor anything else of the sort, but can def tell the difference in sex, its helps me with stress, pain, and depression, it sucks the state i live it banned it, legalize it, tax it, control it, and u have a win win situation, as mentioned by several people above, u dont just rush into any expirement or new drug, learn about it, the safety and precautions, respect it, embrace the euphoria try a lil at a time till u reach the point u wanna be at, i smoke it everday, i know one bowl gets the job done but i still smoke it slowly and take pauses in between hits, u can never be too safe and remember, do ALL things in moderation
alanh79:
thank you for that amazing post.
To: YOU ARE ALL SOO FUCKEN WRONG. Most of us have educated ourselves to the dangers of JWH-18. In it’s pure form it is very concentrated and it only takes a few crystals to get the job done. Your husband was just careless and greedy. Don’t call us wrong for that one. If you take too much of this stuff paranoia will destroy ya.
I was a big stoner, for a long time. I’m so old, I fart dust. I remember when you could order many RC’s that are now classified thru the mail and put it on your credit card. I have been following the JWH family for a while, and with the recent explosion in popularity decided to give it a try. Once a Psycho-Naut, always an explorer..
I got a sample of black Mamba, and thinking it was bunk, took a big ole oney. Not knowing the JWH time frame, I took another. T+15 minutes, i started feeling the buzz. T+20, I was stoned, I mean STONED. Standing in the garage like I had smoked a hit of the Kush kief. Wobbly balance (like LSD without visuals), floaters worse than usual. I think that my body was getting acclimated to the JWH. Went back to the store later, purchased 1g, had nothing but favorable experience with both. Tried a different brand, same distributor, and the experience was different. Without experiencing all of the JWH family, and knowing which way the receptors react I honestly cannot tell you which it was. Some sites state “will not ship to KS, KY” are probably jwh-018. THE PROBLEM IS: without labeling clarity, or in the case of ebay/internet purchase, full disclosure of what the ratio:dosage is per Gram, you don’t know which JWH you are getting, or how much. I have spent a lot of time researching this, and have found that some blends sell at 15mg/g, others at 22mg/g, and a few that claim up to 32mg/g. THE PROBLEM IS: no one is offering analysis of the compounds, and are basing the amounts on math, not chemical composition. Another factor: some of the blends are using different herbal bases, that in themselves have effects that you may not be accustomed to. RECOMMENDATIONS: start small and be patient. Be prepared to go on a journey… AS WITH ANY SUBSTANCE>>> educate yourself before using, or making any decisions about dosage. If your blend contains damiana, go to a local hippie foods store, buy some damiana and experience it by itself, first so you can discern any differences when using a blend. If your blend contains mullein, Mallow leaf, hops or anything you don’t know, get some and try it solo. I personally have taken to making my own blend: 20mg. of the -018, 40 mg. of the -073, 10 mg. of the c,p,… ground or sifted… dissolved into 50-100ml. acetone, (WITHOUT denetonium benzoate): I make the “blend” with Damiana, Ma-Huang, Kinick Kinick, tobacco, mint leaf, cinnamon, and vanilla(put into acetate stage) to equal 14-28g depending on mood, and amounts on hand. Mix well, DO NOT LET SIT FOR MORE THAN 5+/- minutes, no smoking or open flame!!! TWO WAYS FROM HERE: 1. Pour wet mix into shallow large glass (pyrex lasagna pan) and let evaporate:
or:
2: pour wet mix onto stainless steel screen over a glass plate, let evaporate.
Either way, scrape residue on glass and add to blend when packaging in airtight container.
BE CAREFUL.
BE RESPECTFUL.
Do Not peer pressure anyone who does not want to try it into trying it. THAT SUCKS AND IT’S STUPID>
BE RESPONSIBLE..
Just ‘cuz it’s legal for now, doesn’t mean that it doesn’t impair your abilities, judgment, vision, rational thinking.
Know your rights, and if you are using these blends public, be prepared to get hassled, and don’t have any ILLEGAL things with you. ALSO–Dedicated a piece for using only BLENDS, don’t use your favorite weed pipe, It definitely has THC resin in it, and even though you don’t have weed on you, you can get a paraphernalia ticket for the pipe if it smells, or tests positive for THC.
HAVE FUN AND BE SAFE
PEACE>>>
I’ve been reading over some of this stuff and i relate to a lot of it. I smoked synthetic smoking blends for 6 months and had a really bad anxiety attack the last time i smoked. After i stopped, about a week later, i kept having these sort of flashbacks to it where i felt really high again without even smoking. For the next month and a half i was really fucked up- internal unrest, anxiety, trouble sleeping, blurred vision and depth perception problems, and an inability to think clearly. These have been gettting much better with time. Its been four months now and the only symptoms that really remain is the blurred vision and a sort of dissociation depersonalization, but its hard to describe . It seems that my vision is blurry for long distances and i have to redjust my eyes to see objects far away clearly. Also, some of the other symptoms pop back up every once in a while but much more mildly and never more than once or twice a week. I’m just getting really concerned because i dont know if i will ever recover 100%. I cant believe this shit is lasting four months. If someone has fully recovered please share or if anyone can shed any light on this please let me know!
hi justin, i’m cool now .took 6 months . think it triggered an anxiety disorder , keep telling yourself thats what it is and you’ll be fine. some people are getting a bad reaction to this chemical ,whatever is being said on this forum. cheers dave
@ x1: Thanks!
The JWH Class of RCs is certainly strange. I suspect that because of its purity, and other factors, jwh might potentially exacerbate pre-existing mental illnesses. For this alone, it might end up being demonized by the media and/or general public. However, I myself found jwh to be powerfully sedating. Along with gustatory (taste) hallucinations, I also experienced olfactory (smell) ones, as well.
I’m 240 pounds, grew up in the 60′s and 70′s, and have had multiple, varied, powerful, and often lengthy drug experiences. My favorite bud is a tie between Thai bud and Panama Red. Kona Gold has always made me sleepy to the point of taking a nap. JWH seems a lot like Kona to me, in that I get quite sleepy and sedated.
I’ve been a US Army Medical Laboratory Specialist (Drugs of Abuse Testing, Radioimmunoassay, and Clinical Toxicology), a nurse (nursing home Night Charge Nurse, and Drug/Alcohol Detox/Treatment Nurse), and an Emergency Medical Technician, but in high school in the 70′s I was both the biggest science nerd and the biggest hippy, so decided I’d catalogue the drug spectrum.
Never was able to procure pure THC, but oddly, I’m not sure it’s the component in pot I like most. Seems like the newer hybrids with their extremely high THC content simply aren’t as good as I grew up with. In the 70′s, I was smoking African bhanji, Afghani Black, Cambodian Red, Colombian Gold, Thai sticks and bud, Kush, Kona Gold, Maui Wowie, etc, and I must say the old stuff was better than the bud out nowadays. Anyway, I digress.
So I tried 18 and 73 together, and it seemed mellower than jwh-018 alone. I take rather large doses and noticed that after three weeks, my tolerance is way up. 2g altogether (by myself) last week alone! Yikes! Taking a couple weeks off. Have been somewhat dull-minded and slightly forgetful since trying jwhXXX. I also have noticed that Amotivational Syndrome is very strong with JWH– it’s a powerful procrastination chem.
Anyone have any Telepathic or extrasensory effects?
Hi guys…
I too had a very bad experience with legal herbs.
A friend passed away and I was really depressed one day. I thought I’d go to the shop and try some of the legal herbs. I’d only ever smoked weed 3 x and had a cruisy, good time.
I was just so depressed though and thought I’d try something new, something innocent.
I wanted to smoke it on my own and just relax…so I purchased what was called ”Haze”. It’s very similar to Spice. I honestly thought I probably wouldn’t feel much from it.
I went home and put a tiny sprinkle in with my tabacco…went down stairs and lit it up. I instantly felt it, and had a couple of drags and then went back upstairs.
As I got to the top of the stairs, I noticed my heart beating pretty quick…but thought not much of it as i’d just walked up stairs…it obviously goes faster.
as I went inside…I started to feel faint. I had some water. My heart rate went back down. I sat for a sec, but then it sped back up…it was going REALLY fast. I was petrified. I started to feel so faint and was scared I was going to die alone…as noone was home + I was away from home. I was so scared.
I waited a bit…called 911 as my heart was racing so fast.
When they got there, it was going 167bpm. They said that my heart will be fine, that I was just freaking and I will be OK. They took me into hospital and did a ECG…everything was fine. They waited until my heart calmed down and let me go home.
I went to sleep and felt 100% normal the next day…just a little tired.
I felt fine for the weeks afterwards but…
5 weeks later, I got sudden dizziness one morning and my heart started racing again…this time about 140bpm. It gradually slowed down…but since then, I had a number of crazy attacks.
It was insane. I’m still working through it…6 months later. I just found it weird that I felt fine until 5 weeks after the experience? I thought maybe it was actually seperate things going on…I though I’d caught a virus or something and having a fever…as I was travelling at the time.
I had to see a cardiologist, he said my heart was fine and did a number of tests. He said I may have SVT (something your born with) and that the drug sort of triggered it to set off.
I have been to ER three times in the last 6 months, with severe palpatations….heart peaking at 160 and higher bpm during these attacks. I know that it’s most likely panic….as I’ve been through a lot of stress. It’s just the dizziness that worries me, it hit me once when driving and then my heart raced shortly afterwards and I had to pull over. I wonder if the dizziness is just from my heart racing and the rush of blood? I dunno.
I just freak out sometimes, but am getting a handle on it. I know it’s almost over.
It helps to know your hearts fine and normal and can hack beating at 200bpm for days on end.
I think I’m just scared that something is wrong upstairs…both physically and mentally.
I feel normal though, and can go weeks without any symptoms, but then all of a sudden I can feel really dizzy and my heart will race. I also get depressed from this.
I’ve noticed it keeps happening when I eat, too. I’ll get tunnel hearing for a moment and a dizzy spell, short episode of racing heart…then it goes away. It also seems relevant to my posture.
I’ve just been drinking heaps of water and trying to relax.
My doctor suggested 12 months of SSRI’s just to try and help out and she said I’d be back to normal after the 12 month course….I’m just not sure though if I want to hop on meds.
I’m feeling good now + honestly think it’s all in my head. I was paranoid to begin with to be honest…and I think I just couldn’t handle what I experienced.
I also think a good point to make is it could be post traumatic stress some people are having….the initial event was very traumatic obviously, and our mind remembers this and sometimes triggers our body to do some whacky shit in response.
All I can say is, stay positive….and I really think people should stay far away from this shit….especially if your anxious to begin with. Just stick to actual, clean weed! Please don’t smoke these legal stupid herbs.
I know I’ll be 100% me again, without all these annoying symptoms…and will be a stronger person at the end of it. It’s hard and I wish I never bought the crap, I had a voice in the back of my head telling me not to…fucking wish I’d listened.
But hey, what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.
; )
alanh79 nailed it. “jwh might potentially exacerbate pre-existing mental illnesses”. Our bodies are the ultimate “chemical lab” and since each lab is unique there will be endless varied experiences.
I have been following this thread for along time now, and it is very obvious that there is a conclusion to be observed. There exists a completely uncontrolled “lab” and “clinical” basis to pinpoint just exactly what a person can expect. There is no “placebo” or “blind” control to reference period.
Becoming the “lab rat” is a personal choice. If you are using these substances it would be prudent to record detailed information about everything. And I mean everything. SET and SETTING, blood pressure, are you on or have been on other substances recently (a calender if you will) so the recorded record can be referenced.
Of course this is in a perfect world or a licensed professional lab. This is not going to happen.
You alone are responsible and there is no turning back when the journeys begin. But that is what drives people to search.
So to all you seekers I say, choose your poison and live with it. I do hope that anyone still having problems will return to BASELINE, and the next time you go under the “glass” to be observed, attempt to find the “THRESHOLD” amount that applies to your “unique” laboratory (the wondrous human body that you are blessed to have).
Addendum: A digital scale, notebook, pen. KEEP DETAILED ACCOUNTS. ad nauseum etc etc.
thanks dave. i looked up panic disorders online and found it to be very similar to what i was experiencing about 3 months ago. Now it seems that i have the same symptoms just much more mild. Hopefully they will continue to decrease with time. One question though: did you seek any medical treatment or did you just deal with it yourself?
justin
hi justin and pinky
no i just dealt with it myself. looking up forums on panic disorder and seeing peoples experiences matched my own. i and others seem to have the same with eating pinky. seems to be the rush of blood sugar into the system and the mind , as its anxious and on the lookout for physical “changes” , starts the panic. what you’ll find that the slightest thing like a slight stomach ache or headache or even things that are so small u barely notice can trigger panic. i felt pretty ill , but the more i read the more i learn’t how to calm myself. what you’ve forgoten is that u had anxiety to a certain degree before i bet , but might not have even noticed , u just gotta chill ! i feel for u, thats why i keep checking this forum sporadically, i wanted to see hear from someone that had been there and got better when i felt ill , i’m him !cheers dave
thanks dave.
you’ve been a big help. somehow just knowing its an anxiety disorder makes me feel better about the whole thing, like i’m more in control of it. just one more question: did you also feel these feelings of depersonalization? kind of like you are detached from what your doing or kind of like your dreaming. its hard to explain but was just wondering if you felt the same way and if it was your longest lasting symptom?
-justin
SOOO… if you are a psychotic, worry wort, hypochondriac, germophobe, who beleives God is gonna end the world and satan is comin to get you because you may have had a potentially evil thought or desire to experience something new in life then dont touch this stuff or anything else fun. Please dont even think about trying these new jwh substances if you have even the slightest notion in your mind or gut that any of these substances may cause you to have to “GO TO THE DOCTOR” because consumption may make you “FEEL” different, funny, strange, light headed, happy, sad, horny, hungover, paranoid, spacey, spiritual, scared, cranky, crunk or open minded ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. ect. It has taken the rational thinkers of this earth far too long to begin to undue and reeducate all the “misinformed” about a plant named cannabis.
Hi
I am checking this site also to see if I can read any positive stories. Has anyone recovered from using legal smokes. I still have anxiety and heightened awareness of eye floaters. It has been about 5 months since I have quit everything.
The eye floaters a maybe due to anxiety and depression. Will the cob-web type eye floaters become less conscious when anxiety fades? I am just posting here again to see if I can catch more fish with same problem.
openmind u remind me of myself a few years ago ,have fun while it lasts!
justin, yep i did , stick with it and just start enjoying your life again, it’ll be cool , just pull yourself together !
likewise garret , noticed everything that was going on with my body , even asked when i got my eyes tested about floaters , i’ve kickboxed at a high level for years so was paranoid about any damage , but all was normal ! get back to your life m y friend !
I stopped taking jwh last Thursday. This was after three weeks of daily, “heavy” use:
Week one: total 1g jwh-018
Week two: total 2g jwh-018
Week three: total 1g jwh-018, 1g jwh-073
Friday afternoon was noticing anxiety and depression, fairly pronounced. My digestive system started reacting– hyperactive BT, diarrhea.
Saturday was the same. Felt somewhat like opiate withdrawal symptoms, which was strange for me– mj has never caused those symptoms when I’d smoked heavily for weeks than stopped, but merely caused a little irritability. Occasionally, my heart would start pounding, I would perspire heavily, be somewhat short of breath. Saturday night I smoked half a joint of indica, got only slightly high and noticed only a slight amelioration of symptoms. Took B-complex vitamins and potassium. Sex w/ gf was amazing… much better than when taking jwh.
Sunday morn felt a little better. Went for a long walk in the afternoon, but lost energy, probably from fluid loss due to diarrhea. Started getting anxiety again, but depression seemed to be better.
Monday, today, woke up early, which had not happened since starting jwh. Was more social at work instead of the somewhat zombie-like jwh state I’d been in for three weeks. Information is processing easier now, mental connections seem to be re-establishing, memory is better. This afternoon, was making jokes and laughing with co-workers again. Still having slight digestive symptoms but they are nearly resolved now.
This experience leads me to believe that large amounts (>10-30mg PO 3x/d) over time (three weeks plus) can lead to physical addiction, in that physical withdrawal symptoms were experienced after cessation. Also, I thought quite a bit about jwh after stopping, and part of me wanted to buy more. But the strong part of me thought the idea ridiculous based on my experiences so far.
It certainly is an odd class of RCs. The effects are both strong and subtle. The mental effects are not easy to define accurately. It wasn’t easy to remain entirely logical while under the influence, but on the other hand I noticed my intuition was much better.
During the three weeks I told no one else that I was taking jwh. Friends who knew me best asked me if I had smoked pot. Others either asked me if I was OK or accused me of being “on drugs.” Comments I got from co-workers today (day 4 after stopping) were basically that the old me was back.
But I’m not 100% back. I am still feeling anxiety which I calm by realizing that it’s from jwh and is getting better. Also, I can step back from the anxiety a bit and get some separation from it so I won’t feel the full brunt (an old psychonaut method).
Is the aftermath worth what odd effects I got on jwh? I’m not so sure it is. Pot has always seemed so healing and friendly, but jwh is not very friendly, and I’m not sure about its healing potential. As a physical pain reliever, I haven’t decided where I stand. At times it seemed to cause an odd disconnect between sensory nerves and brain (can barely feel an object held in the hand, etc), but then again it seemed to make psychological pain worse. At least opiates add some euphoria to one’s pain relief.
Pot is safer, milder, and a much better choice for me, personally.
Hi Dave
Yes, I have also that negative filter. Now I notice my eye floaters all the time. Were your eye floaters pronounced and did they dissipate when the worry and anxiety went away?
ive been using spice lately because i cant smoke pot… im on drug testing for court, its going to be illegal here in alabama soon. and they have been working on researching what to test for in a piss test… so like i dont really wanna go back to jail. any ideas on a time frame for whatever gets u high in spice for how long it would stay in my system?
Update: Tuesday. To combat jwh withdrawal and other symptoms like anxiety, tried GABA 250mg PO (oral dose). Stuff worked great! I was alert, happy, confident at work all day. It even seemed like I felt better than I did before I ever tried jwh-018. GABA was uplifting AND reduced my anxiety. Anyone else try GABA for anxiety aftereffects?
Hi Dave
Don’t forget the question about the eye floaters. Did your eye floaters come up into your vision when you were looking for stuff? I know they are harmless and they were always there. I just became conscious of them 3 months after I quit everything and they are still in my vision field. I still have the heightened awareness of them and the anxiety. I Think the anxiety would be less if I was not conscious of them all the time. Does this level out over time? I know I posted here about the same type of problems. I just need some more reassurance. Will there come a day when I am less conscious of them? I am sure the heightened awareness of the floaters are not HPPD related and I hope that I do not have some other kind of perception disorder. I do seem to have a negative filter and being on alert subconsciously. Just can’t seem to forget about them.
Thanks.
Garret
Hi Garret
I only notice them again after reading this ,ha,ha ! So yup its all anxiety . Just pull yourself together bro , get out enjoy your life,engage the world around you .
cheers Dave
This is killing me. I just can’t read any more of these. There are a few intelligent people spread throughout these posts, but it seems the majority of these are written by ignorant people who don’t understand that you don’t use pure pharmaceuticals. Seriously, I understand that this may be dangerous if used in high dosages or for extended periods of time. I smoke herbal blends on a regular basis, but I keep in mind that everything is to be used in moderation. Ha Ha to the lady who’s son (or what ever relation) had a seizure, well lets think about this….He spent $750 and smoked that much. Its a wonder he didn’t die from being retarded. Anyone who over uses any drug due to lack of knowledge is beyond any sympathy for not researching it enough before hand. To, anyone who tried to “up the dose” you are the worst….I can’t even begin to explain my hatred for people with your mentality. You are the morbidly obese of the drug world. Not realizing that everything should be used in moderation; you plague the world with your mishaps until our overly invasive government has to ban it to keep you from hurting yourselves. You are like a toddler around a light socket and I, for one are getting pretty fucking tired of having people put the little plastic protector over it. So, please for the sake of anyone smart enough to handle their own lives without a government nanny to keep them safe, stop doing anything at all. In fact stop breathing, cause I’m sure you can figure out a way to overdose on it. Learn to control yourself and do some research before you fuck up everything for us, you insensitive mother fuckers.
Hi, Up there
You do not know what amount of chemicals are in any batch.
Think about it.
Thank You.
Hi Dave
I want to ask you a few questions I hope you are not angry cause I am still stressed. Thanks for the information. I seem to have an anxiety disorder alright. I have this very intense negative filter, thats looking for stuff and depression, thinking that I have ruined my life. The negative filter is scanning for all the bad side effects mentioned above. I never noticed any kind of eye floaters before I smoked synthetic cannbinoids. I was worried about HPPD cause I seem to be seeing all the natural phenomena in my eyes. It’s like looking out from a different angle/perceptive that sees everything in my eyes. When I look to the sky, I am experiencing something like the following: Another common phosphene is “seeing stars,” from a sneeze, a heavy and deep cough, blowing of the nose, a blow on the head or low blood pressure (such as on standing up too quickly or prior to fainting). It is possible these involve some mechanical stimulation of the retina, but they may also involve mechanical and metabolic stimulation of neurons of the visual cortex or of other parts of the visual system. Or are these just cells darting around? Am I seeing this stuff cause I had read that synthectic cannbinoids were reported to have caused HPPD in some users. When I heard about a guy who has kidney problems the negative filter is on my kidneys and this starts more panic. I also seem to think that the normal level of noise in my head is a bit louder than what it used to be, I think I am hearing a very low sizzeling noise. Am I hearing this cause I read up on tinnitus or is the anxiety causing it Did you experience all this stuff? Did the visual stuff dissipate when the anxiety levels dropped? Is this all psychosomatic, I wish I could close the door in what I am seeing. It’s been 5 months since I stopped smoking this stuff. Did you only see the floaters or more after the trauma.
I never new I had them.
In the meantime I will try be conscious of them*
SWIM wanted to report back. It has been about 2 months since SWIM had his first episode. Still not back to normal, far from it… BUT SWIM reports being much better than originally. SWIM has now seen a few doctors, a psychiatrist, scoured the internet for information, and read some books. SWIM’s experience has been up and down. SWIM was put on medications from doctors, some which helped, others which made the situation worse and caused SWIM to have a complete mental/physical break down. SWIM then decided to no longer take any of the medication as SWIM felt it was causing more problems rather than fixing the previous ones. SWIM believes everyone is different so medications may work for you, or may not. That is for you to decide.
SWIM now has a form of panic/anxiety disorder. This was directly tied to the consumption of the commercial products Spike99 Ultra mixed with Mojo (plant material coated with synthetic cannabinoids). Before this SWIM never had any problems like these and was completely normal and functioned daily without issue.
Anyways, the symptoms SWIM has experienced off and on for the past 2 months have included. Extreme anxiety, dizziness, difficulties in visual focusing, chest tightness, strong awareness of heart beating, diarrhea, a worry of losing control and going insane, mild insomnia, on rare occasions shaking/tremors. These are all symptoms of panic disorder.
SWIM loves to read posts from people that think these symptoms are made up. SWIM can only say, wait until it happens to you or someone you know. Feelings and emotions then change quickly. SWIM says it is not something you ever want to experience and he wishes it on no one.
SWIM’s research has uncovered many online postings from many various websites with similar stories from both synthetic cannabinoids and from marijuana. Reports from people range from new smokers to daily smokers that just got hit with a panic attack after smoking problem free for 10 years. Most of the symptoms are the same and all point to panic/anxiety disorder.
SWIM wants to post some links in order to help others and asks the moderator to please allow them as there is no commercial interest. The only interest is in helping others that may stumble onto this information.
One of the sites with the most postings can be found here:
http://www.steadyhealth.com/Cannabis_Addiction-f115.html
Searching those postings with topics such as “Paranoia” and “Panic Attacks” usually have the most related information.
The most helpful information SWIM has found through all his research is that you are not going crazy and understanding that no matter what you do during a panic attack, at some point it WILL end. Writing down what you are feeling during a panic attack and then writing down why these feelings and ideas are unrealistic helps deal with panic when it is at its worst. Breathing exercises are also very helpful. Hyperventilating is common while having a panic attack. Breathing with your stomach moving is key. SWIM originally thought this was crazy and then found out it helped dramatically. This means when you inhale make sure your stomach moves out, when you exhale make sure your stomach moves in. Some things to try during a panic attack are to take a deep breath in through your nose, then hold your breath for 5-7 seconds and exhale slowly through your mouth. Repeat this 5-10 times, often closing your eyes and envisioning a calm scenario helps with this. Another breathing technique to use in conjunction is to close your eyes and take 8-10 small breaths in rapid succession through your nose, hold for 1 second, then exhale slowly through your mouth. Do this at least 5 times, on the 6th time open your eyes and continue the breathing. After a few minutes of this SWIM says you really should notice yourself feeling better. If not keep trying. It sounds ridiculous but it works and these or similar methods are recommended by treatment centers for panic attacks all over the world.
Treatment may work for you. Try and find out if there are places that offer CBT (Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) treatment for panic disorders.
If there aren’t treatment centers near you there are web resources and books. A good free website that asks for NO information from you and contains NO advertisements is:
http://www.paniccure.com/
Some excellent books SWIM recommends are:
Mastery of Your Anxiety and Panic (4th Edition) Workbook by David H. Barlow and Michelle G. Craske
Panic Free by Lynne Freeman
Panic Attacks Workbook by David Carbonell
If you find the books in the library or purchase them somewhere make sure you get the Workbook editions and not the editions that would be for a Therapist.
Good luck to everyone and anyone going through this. SWIM will keep updating from time to time. Hopefully one update will be when SWIM no longer has these problems or at least can control them better.
The symptoms some of you are relentlessly and continually complaining about are also known as chronic crybaby pussyitis by most men.
My friend and i have made our own jwh mixes and it turned out great just do ur research and be smart about it. There are alot of horror stories out there about this substance and I would like to put my personal experience out there.
I bought some spice and decided to get alittle stoned be4 i went to bed. I have acid once and used to smoke alot of pot so i am used to altered states of consciousness. Ay ways I loaded a small bowl and took three hits of the spice. Within about 15 minutes i was tripping so hard i didnt have the mental capacity to remind myself that i was tripping. I wanted to fall asleep but had lots of anxiety and thought that a demon was trying to attack me from the corner of my room. Even tho i was cozy in my bed I could hear the wind and dogs barking and just general out side noise and movement behind me were there was only a wall. I thought people were climbing under my blankets and actually audible screamed from the horror of it. I got so uncomfortable that i began to throw up. I eventually fell asleep and the whole ordeal ended. I still use this stuff and smoke my own blend. From what ive gathered from all these experiences is that people only have bad experiences when they are alone or the only person at that level. This stuff is to be respected just like any other hallucenagenic. Bottom line is dont be an idiot with it, if you think u are strong enough mentally to deal with a bad trip, not a bad high a bad trip, than u have nothing to worry about. I feel that i am stronger as a person because of my bad experiences with this drug but thats just my preference. I still use and rather frivlously i might add but i always know wat i am getting into. At the temple of the oracle of delphi at the entrance was inscribed “know thyself” and that is my advice for anyone who uses this drug know thyself because if u dont this drug will thrust that knowledge upon u in waves that if u are not strong may over come u. All in all if ur scared start out slow and ull have a great time.
Hi Garret
That HPPD is interesting ,never heard of it . But yes along with noticing the “floaters” my vision was like being slightly stoned . At the start it was more than that , faces sometimes became distorted and scary, basically tripping i spose , that lasted a week at most . Then bright colours and slight distortions , this lasted for a month or so I seem to remember.
Seems strange thinking back to that state of mind now . Been enjoying getting drunk (couldn’t touch alcohol for 6 months !), chilling having a laugh again , all the things i thought would never be the same again .
Still not dared weed again though, that was a warning that this ol space cadet ain’t ignoring !
One day had some good advice and links , look at getting better not at the things that u “think” are wrong with you , its GAD and you’ll get better , trust me .
Dave
Hey Dave,
Just wondering, what were your reasons for not touching alcohol during your recovery? I am not fully better, im going on 5 months now, but have just recently started drinking again about a month ago. The alcohol doesnt seem to affect my body in a negative way, but i was just wondering because maybe the drinking is slowing down the recovery process. I even smoked weed again four or five times in the last couple weeks. It was very soothing and i did not have any ‘flashbacks’ or any paranoia. Just wondering if you think touching substances before fully recovering would in anyway prevent a full recovery/slow down the recovery? Or is it all just mental and touching substances would have nothing to do with a recovery? The only symptoms that still remain for me is the depersonalization feelings (not getting any better, its been the same for about a month and a half months). Other than that a bit of slight anxiety now and again but nothing that bad at all. Let me know what you think.
-Justin
My story on spice, i did it like 6 months smoked everything was fine, then stopped smoking for 6 months decided to try it again and packed a bowl of Berry Blend spice smoked it for 2 days or so and nothing major, the third day packed a bowl and took a gas mask hit. Everything was fine until 5-6 mins later my ears felt like there going numb and everything went zoned out and i had a panic attack heart was beating crazy i thought i was going to die!!!!! Relaxed and went home slept and thought ill be fine, next morning still felt like my head was in a dream state or so like i would stare and something for a long amount of time and i couldn’t control it my eyes won’t adjust to the dark like my eyes dilate but i just see floaters, still felt dizziness, was like this every day till about 4 day around night time, took some benadril and i started to feel b etter , day 5 right now i still feel somewat out of it but the dizziness went away , now it feels like im light headed i think its just all in my head really i just had a panic attack and everything seems normal physically just not n my head , but as dave said your brain takes time to heal , so i am not worried about this , i’ve noticed if i stop looking up storys about this shit and go hang out with friends life isn’t that bad, I haven’t touched this shit since that day been exercising and taking vitamins , So well see what happens n a couple of weeks or so , i was wondering dave if u had this same symptoms or close to em?
I am bettting you guys doing all the whining also have similar problems with women and or for that matter anything else involving manhood……What a bunch of straight up PUSSIES! Please go hold hands in private or tell your psychiatrist/therapist about your emotional weaknesses …the rest of us are not interested.
Hi Justine , dunno what to say bro , alcohol just didn’t go down well , didn’t really affect me . Seems theres plenty of people of who’ve smoked weed all there lifes ,who suddenly flip out with a panic attack out the blue( i’ve indulged for 25years) . i still miss it , but i reached a point that night that i never want to return to . shit loads on having panic attacks on the net ,weed related and not, if you have one it gives u an underlying fear of having another , thats all it is , easy to say i know . i’ve boxed most of my life , so i just personified it as a fighter and each time i felt it rising i just said to it “bring it on!” best way to deal with it.
openmind , i’m glad i make u think u have a big nob.where would u be without people like us ?
Alot better off is where I would be …As would the rest of the world because if not for those such as you Cannabis would currently be legal instead of illegal as it is now completely due to weak hearted idiots emulating blatent falsehoods and fear as you continue to try and do. For example The above statements you just made regarding weed as you call it claiming people “suddenly flip out with panic attacks out of the blue” after years of use or whatever is completely false and the most idiotic thing I have ever read. There are millions and millions who can and have been helped through the use of cannabis as a medicine both physically as well as psychologically just as the invention research and use of synthetic cannabinoids such as jwh-018 can. But people like you have pussy panic attacks and post it on the internet to try & create hysteria. So lets just ban them all to protect people like you with emotional inadequacies. As the old saying goes.. “SOUNDS LIKE A PERSONAL PROBLEM TO ME” A problem I might add that has absolutely nothing to do with either cannabis or any cannabinoid synthetic or otherwise. So I say go post your problems (or perceived problems) elsewhere because your problems obviously (except to the extremely ignorant) have nothing to do with anything people are trying to discusss here. p.s. There is more than “Shit loads” hard factual medical clinical as well as casual research on the net and elsewhere that counters any and all claims you have made regarding both substances.
Hi
Thanks for the advice. It’s just that the cob-web type floaters are very prominent and it worries me. Never had a spec in my vision before bad experience. It’s been almost 6 months and they are still the same. How long did it take for the floaters to dissipate. I really don’t have much anxiety now after almost 6 months. I think I am only getting anxious because of the prominent floaters. It’s difficult to think clearly with them sometimes and i am afraid I will fuck up job’s and study.
GOOD LORD!!! These pussy worms are relentless arent they? WTF???? I guess we should just ban every herb/ substance other than tobacco, alcohol and deadly prescription drugs. I just looked at the DEA websight where I read this on the jwh-018 drugs of concern page….( “Information on user population in the U.S. is very limited, and includes information from drug user internet forums. JWH-018 abuse is not monitored by any national drug abuse surveys.” ) Sooo what this is actually saying is that government agencies and legislators in the U.S.A. base their decisions to ban substances on internet forums. ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!! Four U.S. states have already banned jwh-018 and two more states will be added to that on july 1st 2010 , seven more states currently have pending or proposed legislation to ban it soon. All based on information obtained through internet forums? I think it’s about time U.S. citizens start banning politicians and hypocritical government agencies. I also noticed that kava was on the list of chemicals of concern??? Really? kava???? lmfao …Folks we need to start aggressively standing up to these worms and stop passively standing by while they ban our rights to live.
Life would be boring without drugs for sure . But if your trying to tell me there aren’t risks involved , you need to open your mind bro ! Alcohol can give you liver damage, smoking can cause lung cancer etc etc . Its all about informed choices. I’m informing and people can make there choices . I’ve taken all sorts of drugs for years , always asked and made an “informed” choice before i’ve taken them ,I think and this opinion has backing on this forum, that some of these “legal ” highs have vastly varying doses , I for one know i was hit by a massive dose which fucked my head right up . I’d also say some of the forms of skunk on the market now are getting almost to strong, but at least u know your getting and the batch is more constant.
Weeds been around thousands of years and this shit ain’t !
I dearly hope u spin out on it one day my friend and have my words spinning around in that tiny skull of yours
Hi dave
I agree completely with the remarks above. This guy is on the wrong road. I am still trying to find a peron who has the same problem as me. When you say you had eye floaters after the crap experience, were they prominent and new to you, or were they just more heightened. You see you have to understand that my vision was perfect until the crap experience and these prominent eye floaters are depressing me and I am finding it hard to get through each day. I fear that I will never be normal again. The following question is very important to me: How long did the eye floaters(if prominent and never noticed before, or just more heightened) I have been reading on the internet about people with major eye floaters due to smoking legal highs(synthetic cannabinoids). I have not heard much stories about people recovering from the same problem I have. I have a feeling I have a mild dose of HPPD. Or maybe the depression and anxiety is making me see them. I can also see the blood cells or very mild staictic when I look to the sky. My vision does not fell the same excluding my eye floater problem. I wish you would explain a bit more in detail about you recovery regarding the vision problems and especially about the eye floaters. I hope you can understand why I am freaked out! Everywhere I look I can see these cob-webs and black dots swinging around my psyche(vision). It’s the summer and by God!, I see them all over the place. My optician told me these are normal, I am certain I don’t have retanel tear. It’s just the door is open to them, so to speak and it’s like as if I am looking trough the jell in my eyes, with cob-webs and black dots in my vision. I ahve a feeling you did not get this as bad as me. How much of the stuff did you smoke leading to the bad trip. I am seeing a counselor at the moment and my doctor wants me to take Lexapro. I don’t to take these drugs. I would love to beleive all this due to anxiety, but as you can see above I can not seem to nail it down to one thing. It would be great to hear from an expert or someone who know what exactly I am talking about. I feel I have ruined my life dispite the fact taht good people are tell me that I will get better and better. Sounds a lot like depression to me as well. Thanks once again. Don’t forget about how long before you noticed them dissipate and felt like you had back your normal quality of vision.
I still say You are a pussies! Blah, Blah, Blah, Boo, hoo, hoo! Typical politico worms doped to the nines on prescription meds systematically going from one forum to the next whining and crying trying to drum up typical “the sky is falling” “reefer madness” “WMD” hysteria. Relentlessly blaming an accesible legal substance that has been proven non toxic and non lethal. Yet it is perfectly okay in their eyes for them and the rest of society (even little children) to be given massive amounts of prescription pills that have been proven without doubt to cause death and severe health problems, addiction, psychosis, suicide, and on and on. I say these problems they speak of (If they actually ever even existed..perceived or otherwise) are a direct result of ingesting prescription drugs not jwh or “incense”. Of course none of these doctors we are supposed to trust with our lives will ever tell you the meds they prescribed you have fucked you for life because it might result in a lawsuit for them. I have always been one to read between the lines and what I am reading on these some of these posts is this….Government pricks posing on these forums spreading hysterical falsehood to gain momentum in order to ban these herbs/ substances because any legal substance such as these cannabinoids or any other pleaseurable, beneficial, easily obtainable legal plant/substance poses a threat to the establishment they so zealously seek to protect so as to insure they can continue to control and profit from the suffering of others.. In my previous post I made a point as to the ridiculous sources that these government dickheads claim to use as evidence a substance or herb is harmful. I said absolutely nothing at all about Dave or Garret or Justin. Yet Dave seems to think my post was directed towards him and his crybaby butt buddies???? Why is that?? I ask you why? I rest my case folks! TIME FOR US ALL TO STAND UP TO THEM!
Hi Dave
It’s impotant to answer the above questions from me in order to clear up my problem. I also want to stop posting here so I can move forward with more faith/confidence and give your poor desent soul a break.
Thanks.
Garret
When I said you were on the wrong road Openmind, I just meant that one is off in looking for a natural high than a high from a chemical. I think this way is more real and grounded in the laws of the universe. Just take care, and bye!
Hi Garret
If i want to see them they’re there . Sounds like your trying to notice them bro , just get on with your life . I must have noticed them being there all the time for a few months . Then as i chilled they went .
What i would say , sadly the demented moron above is right on this , that maybe this isn’t the forum for you. There’s plenty of anxiety forums out there be worth posting on them , that disorder you mentioned was interesting and I certainly had a touch of it , so there most be others that can assure you better than me .
I avoid any type of medication if i can as i detest drug companies , use counciling and your own mind and you’ll be fine bro .
Openmind , what part of u is open minded when you only believe what u want to ? Cheers Dave
Dave
If I only beleived what I wanted then I would beleive our government representatives actually honored and respected the will of the people and that ignorant people do not own computers, however I do not beleive that. I instead beleive the truth, which is that those people are only in office to line their own pockets and will stoop to whatever it takes and use whatever ridiculous means to accomplish that. If you make certain suggestions to some people they will beleive it as truth whether it is real truth or not. Dave, I would like to comment concerning your previous claims above where you say that you were merely posting your supposed bad experiences in order to help people make more “informed” choices and decisions about jwh. However in your last post you actually admitted that these problems were actually imaginary. and that jwh DID NOT actually cause you any eye problems ect. ect. Garrets physicians have confirmed the same to him. So how is it that you think you are helping people make informed decisions based on misinformation? I am willing to bet the farm that neither of you fella’s perceived any such problems prior to reading some internet forum that suggested the substance might do so. Unless of course you were the one who started all the hysteria. Even physicians tell these people “Hey look dude there is nothing wrong with you !” But they instead choose to beleive something they read on the internet. But hey, thanks Dave for informing thousands of people that cannabinoid “research” chemicals and cannabis (which both have the potential to help and cure millions with cancer, alzheimers, hiv, muscoskeletal problems, stress, depression, post traumatic disorders… I could go on for days here) will cause you to have physical and mental problems when in fact they will not. Why dont you post your Email address so that researchers who are currently able to use these synthetic cannabinoids to find cures for cancer (because they cant use actual cannabis due to it being illegal thanks to nothing more than “reefer madness”) can thank you when these cannabinoids are banned in their state causing that research to come to a screeching halt. So I am a “demented moron” ?? Look dude.. I am not the one who thinks he is seeing things that are in fact not even there.
HAHAHA holy shit!! I probably just sat here for the last two hours reading EVERY SINGLE ONE of these posts!! You guys are fucking hilarious!!
THE STRAIGHT DOPE:
1.JWH-018 causes long-term affects for LONG TERM USERS
2.Using too much JWH-018 (over 5mg) is DANGEROUS
3.Smoking spice one time will NOT make you insane
4.GARRETT IS SLOWLY MAKING HIMSELF INSANE
5.I have HPPD and if you chill the fuck out, it GOES AWAY
6.FLOATERS NEVER DISSIPATE
7.DON’T PAY ATTENTION TO FLOATERS, THEY’RE NATURAL
8.FLOATERS ARE CLUMPS IN THE EYE’S VITREOUS FLUIDS
9.SPICE DOES NOT CAUSE FLOATERS
10.FLOATERSFLOATERSFLOATERSFLOATERS
11.Ben and Maui Green Dragon seriously know what they are talking about and without you guys I would have stopped reading this entire post. I have never had a problem with spice. SORRY FOR ALL THE CAPS.
Hi Dave
I know what you mean, I will no longer post my problem here.
Anyway, because I did not meet anybody with same problem, I used this site to se if I could relate to anybody. Everyone falls and needs help in life in some time or other. The guy above will fall some day. Then he might have compasion for others.
So if you’ve read my previous posts you’ll see that i , like others, believe there could be uneven dosing going on and to be careful , seems to be the general consensus by lots of others to . But you my friend blabber on about government conspiracy theories and that I have been harping on about the “physical” dangers of these products . You need to read all my posts my friend “open your mind” and you’ll see that i’ve clearly said there were no physical problems other than the panic attack it caused , which I can assure u is one of the most “physical” experiences of my life (mind over body granted).
If you don’t think that uneven dosing causing panic attacks ,with long lasting mental problems in some people is worth mentioning so others can make informed choices , your a sad self centered individual . Its not all about “u” having fun .
Did you read my posts???? A conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory. You can throw your conspiracy theories around and its okay IE claiming that these substances causes physical and mental problems when in fact it has been proven that they do not. ONLY IMAGINARY “reefer madness” as you have repeatedly admitted yourself. Yet you continally tout the imaginary as reality as I have noted time and again. A true “Physical” malody is not an imaginary one and vice versa. Genuine physical malodies are fellow soldiers returning from Iraq and Afganistan missing limbs for instance. Some of my buddies deal with some real mental issues however those issues were brought on by actual physical life changing events…Yes watching your buddies die in the sand of some foreign shit hole tends to have some mental effect on you but most are strong enough to deal with it relatively well on their own and cannabis or herbal smokes tend to help releive the stress tremendously. No my friend it is not all about me at all! far far from it! As all of my posts have clearly pointed out. All of my posts are just the opposite in fact, attempting to stand up for millions who benefit tremendously from these substances in the face of a few douchebags such as yourself who complain and thus campaign to have them banned because you imagined something in your mind that was brought on after you read some bullshit on an internet forum. The government has already banned jwh in the military & several states based on such pussy boy stupidity with zero true evidence it is harmful in any way. Is that a conspiracy theory ?? or cold hard fact?
So your problem is I’m sharing a negative experience instead of a positive one ? Maybe we should have a sensorship filter in place on these forums ?
My problem is you are sharing falsehood based on heresay & feeble imaginations instead of physical evidence based on actual facts.
Thats what u think because u refuse to acknowledge anyones opinion but your own .
My opinion is based on fact and nothing less..Your opinion is based on imaginary fantasy and nothing more.
Hey all,
I have noticed that there are a growing number of people on this thread that are reporting negative effects and go into great detail about it. Whether or not they are entirely true reports or not I can’t say but I am intrigued none the less. It seems that the basis behind most of them are plausible but what I am hesitant to believe is the lasting effects people are claiming. I will use Garret as an example. I remember reading this thread months ago in January when you first started posting and yet you are still here. The advice I gave back then and what others are still giving to you, you seem to ignore. You are turning your experience with Spice into an obsession which in turn it leading you further and further down a road of hypochondria. You seriously need to fucking forget about it and move on with your life. Only two things could happen if you do:
1- Your life goes back to the way it used to be
2- You still have slight visions problems and YOU DEAL WITH IT like everyone else in the world who has issues
With that said, here is my own story. When I was put on probation, I tried to get away with smoking the real shit but I got caught and almost faced some serious consequences. I’ll admit that I am an addict (not to weed, just to anything really) so it is hard for me to go more than a month or so without at least having a beer. Realizing that if I had another dirty UA I would be put away, I did a bunch of research and decided to try Spice. At first I only used an eighth or two a month when I could afford it. Just recently though I decided to make my own batch. For around $50 I was able to make two and a half ounces using one gram of jwh-018. The potency was enough to make one bowl get you good and lit. It took me around a month to go through it all, and for the most part I was smoking every evening after work. Here are the effects that I noticed during this period:
Occasionally I would notice my heart rate increase as if I had taken a line of coke. Usually this would happen at the beginning of a session and subside within a half an hour or so. Sometimes I could also tell that text would be harder to read and that things looked slightly different (its hard to explain but almost similar to a mild acid high). The whole time during the month I defiantly noticed a stronger paranoia that regular weed and would find myself at times seeing things in the corner of my eye (similar to coming down from a bender on speed but not as intense). The paranoia was kinda combined with an obsessive tendency. Again it’s hard to describe but an illustration of it would be constantly trying to deal with acne to the point where they became sores. I knew I should have just left it alone and it would have healed but at the same time it was hard to resist the urge to keep doing it. Also at the end of the month I could feel that I was more on edge and felt more uneasy than normal.
It has been just over two weeks since I last had some and I can safely say I don’t feel any paranoia, no vision problems, no obsessive tenancies or anything else really. For those who still do have such problem or at least claim to have them, my bet is that you are either lying or that you had got yourself so worked up or freaked out when you did try it that you now firmly believe it is a lasting effect that you have. I can’t say for certain because I am not a doctor nor a psychiatrist but that is my hunch.
Also, during the month I was using, I had one occasion where I smoked a bit too much and knew I had mildly OD’ed. I have OD’ed on other drugs in the past so I knew that this was the case. My heart was racing, the paranoia was intense and I could have easily lost it. But like what others on this thread are saying as well, I took some deep breaths, laid down on the couch and threw in a movie to take my mind off the noids. It took an hour or so of making a conscious effort to not freak out before I was able to begin relaxing enough to fall asleep. The next day I felt fine and went to work. If that had been one of my first times using any drug or was unaccustomed to “the fear,” I could easily see myself completely losing it and having to be taken to the hospital. For those who have used hallucinogens before and enjoyed it, we know that the only way to have fun on them is to never succumb to “the fear” which jwh-018 seems to defiantly have hiding in it’s closet.
All in all I will most likely never use it again. I only have a few months left on probation and then I can go back to smoking the good natural herb. JWH just feels dirty and I guess you could say unhealthy especially when used consistently over longer periods of time. If you are desperate like I have been in the past I would say it is ok in small does, but it isn’t like weed where you can get really really baked. Once you are high, that is pretty much the ceiling and if you go past it you are likely to freak out.
Justindian is almost spot on with what he said a few posts ago except that you could go nuts from smoking it just once if you allow yourself to. I have seen it with hallucinogens in the past, if you don’t know what you are getting yourself into or are emotionally unstable / have other issues mentally, then you probably should stay clear of the drug. I have friends who still think they are different after one use of a hallucinogen when I have taken a large variety on multiple occasions and feel just fine. The mind is a powerful thing and if you believe something strong enough, it will make it true… even to the point of death.
Back to Garret again… everyone has eye floaters, you might not have just noticed them in the past but you had them then as well. It is a natural occurrence within the eye that is healthy. In some cases an abundance of them can indicate problems, but if you are so worried about it go to an eye doctor and just have him examine you. Don’t tell him any of your thoughts about it, or that you used an RC, just let him do an examination like any other and see what he says. I can almost guarantee you that there is nothing wrong. And if you look at an earlier post you made in March you even said “my eyes are fine thanks” but from continuing to read scare stories and such you went back to believe that there still was an issue. You really need to just let all this go and then you can continue on with your life. You have spent six months so far obsessing over this and anyone can tell you that that isn’t healthy.
And to OPENMIND, you almost sound like a vendor trying to keep this shit legal. Either that or you really just can’t comprehend other experiences / possibilities other than your own. If you do research behind Spice and JWH instead of talking out your ass you will find articles not only abroad but in the States as well of people going to the hospital from using it. If you think independent news reporters are apart of the conspiracy then you my friend are an idiot. Just because you and I haven’t had any serious problems from it doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. This is a damn research chemical… do you even know what that mean? We don’t know the full gamut of side effects yet and to say that anything negative is BS is complete foolishness. But I do agree that some people are blowing things way out of proportion.
Well that’s my 2 cents, take it or leave it I don’t care.
Has anyone suffered long term side effects? longer than a week?
mojo diamond… unfortunately i’m subject to random UA’s so i quit everything. been smoking since i was 11, now 46, been drinking that long as well, totally quit that. after a year, i was def craving to smoke, so a friend referred me to local headshop for serenity… they didn’t have it but did have mojo diamond!! THANK GOD!!! maybe 3-4 x’s a week, at the end of my night i will smoke a pinner and be HIGHHHH as a kite! i love it!! have no desire to hunt anything else, but, alas, it will be illegal here in fla by 7/1. i have no horror stories, no complaints, i will say that it does seem to knock me out, i do sleep harder and longer, and my ass does seem to drag a bit the next day, but looking back at my pot smoking years, my ass was lazy and dragging then too!! lmfao! now i just need to figure out how to keep getting this stuff, ($30=3g) after 7/1~~~
No shaggy I am not a vendor trying to “keep this shit legal” so that I can sell it . I am just a rational thinking human being who does not have his head up his ass. The research I have done is based on fact and nothing else. I have mentioned this repeatedly until blue in the face. Have you read any technical data from actual research done with this chemical? Or have you just read media reports from independent reporters (LMFAO!!) whom I should probably inform you are paid by news organizations that lean politically either to the left or to the right (as anyone with a brain already knows) depending upon which billionaires owns them. In other words they print only what they want to.usually leaning toward their own agenda. not the truth! Have you ever heard of a little thing called history? I guess not? If you had then you would know that just because something shows up in the news media does not make it true fact. Ever hear of the “National Enquirer” or “reefer madness” ect. One of the main reasons cannabis ever became illegal in the first place was due to a huge politically and financially motivated false media campaign claiming marijuana was deadly harmful and would cause people to literally go insane if they smoked it. Along with a whole myriad of racial lies and myths surrounding the ever so evil devil plant maurihuana. BOO! lol. It is called the media and if you think everything in the media is reliable fact then you are one of the blithering idiots who needs to pull his head from his ass. Not to mention the other true fact that any fool can write some bullshit story and post it on the internet for the whole world to see. And another thing..In any of these so called reliable media stories that you talk about where people are supposedly going to the hospital… has there been one single death reported? How about any kind of documented health problems at all from any single one of these reported hospital visits? Or are they all your basic just half assed hysteria stories about nothing more than goofy people who just simply got too stoned for personal comfort but of course were not actually harmed physically in any way whatsoever? Ever hear any news stories about kids going to the hospital from drinking too much beer?? Any documented deaths from beer or whiskey overdose or I should say poisoning? How about stories of overdose deaths from prescription drugs? You bet I know what a “research chemical” is………Do you??? One thing research chemicals are used for is doing well um.. research. You know research is what inteligent people do to try and find cures for diseases and such. That is of course so long as the chemicals they so vitally need to do so are legally available so that they can have the opportunity to do that vitally important research before they are banned due to goofy people. These cannabinoids are absolutely amazing substances which have the potential to act as miraculous medicines and are far safer than 90% of the current FDA approved “CHEMICAL” medicines which can and have in fact killed people….Millions of people. Yet are legal and available today. Some even available over the counter to minors no doubt.
Just wanted to post my own personal experience with herbal incense. First off, I am a 43 year old male and not an illegal recreational drug user or a drinker. For the past couple of years I have experienced excrutiating pain in my colon. I exhibit all the classic symptoms of colon cancer. If you dont know what that feels like the only way I know to describe it is that it feels like I have swallowed a huge stone that is now lodged in my colon preventing normal lower digestion and all that involves if you can get the picture. This condition is not only painful as hell but it sucks every ounce of energy from your body. healthy appetite and restful sleep is pretty much non existent due to what I can only describe as mind blowing pain. I have a friend that works in construction with what he refers to as a bunch of convicts who told me about this herbal inscense that some of his workers were smoking as an alternative to marijuana so as to avoid drug testing. I had entertained the thought of trying marijuana to get releif from the pain I experience however the illegal status and lack of availability had deterred me from doing so. The other day in the midst of horrible pain and about five days without any real rest or anything close to a decent meal. I stopped at a small store to purchase some over the counter acetometaphine sleep aid and saw that they sold little 400mg packets of various herbal blends as the store clerk called them. For a split second I associated what my friend had said about herbal incense with my curiosity to try marijuana as a pain releiver so without a second thought I told the clerk to “Give me a couple of those too” After some inquiry and a short discussion with the clerk about how much and how to take it He threw in a little cigarette one hitter as he called it. Knowing from experience how little acetametaphine would help I opted instead to try the herbal incense as soon as possible. I took one small light puff off of the small cigarette apparatus and about all I can say at this point is it was indeed absolutely amazing! The first thing I noticed was almost immediate releif from the pounding and twitching pain in my gut along with an extremely relaxing feeling throughout my body and an easing of my very stressed out mind. For the first time in several days I had releif. Total releif! I proceeded to take another small slow steady pull and after that was finished administered one last small dose. after about thirty minutes I realized I could now probably take a pretty decent nap so I laid down on the couch. To my surprise I woke up about eight hours later feeling extremely well rested and very rejuvinated immediately realizing that for the first time in weeks I had gotten some actual sleep and real rest. The kicker was that I was also very hungry. Thats right, my appetite was back in full force. Since then I have been eating everything edible in sight without any problems. I am now using it sparingly on a daily basis because quite frankly it takes very little to get the desired releif I need. I have been using during the day with no problems or interference in normal daily activities. The only thing I notice is the abscense of pain that before was preventing me from being able to really function at all. For me this stuff is awesome. I have not noticed experienced zero negative aspects and hope to God it remains to be legal and easily accessible.
Please excuse the typo in my previous post towards the end. To clarify again, I have experienced ZERO negative effects from using herbal incense. Just felt I needed to make that clear. In my experience and opinion this herbal incense is excellent medicine indeed.
miracle medicine or is it openyourmind ? good to know u had a positive experience . we need to hear all sides of this “research” chemical , wouldn’t want it to be biased !
openyourmind ,just one question to u before u slip into someone else. if a research chemical was sending people mad , multiple personalities etc ( i don’t believe this to be the case with this chemical for the record) would it not be worth mentioning as it is a mental side affect not physical ?
Sounds like a bunch of reefer madness bullshit to me.
Greetings again everyone!
Justindian: thanks for the props!
I have stopped using spice blends at this point and let me tell you why. Because I want to lol!
No seriously, I will be able to smoke the real thing again soon and I have no need for spice blends much anymore.
You may notice after 2 months + usage that spice blends have a good come up and a bad come down. This come down may include mood swings similar to sobering on most anything.
After my 3+ months use of spice blends I would have to say they helped me with probation. I would recommend this to somebody who has a hard time quitting Mary Jane.
You may notice a panic attack if you take too much Spice. This same type of thing can happen on other drugs as well. Remember, Spice blends have NO pain killers. Mary Jane HAS pain killers.
You are more aware of truth on Spice. Truth can be hard to swallow.
If you feel like you need help there is always one thing that works: PRAY. you will feel better.
Good luck with your journey, this will be my last post on the forum.
I hope that more information is available on JWH soon, but until then remember this is a DESIGNER DRUG. It is not a plant. Good luck!
Well since OPENMIND is obviously an ignorant paranoid conspiracy nut, here is some links to a few interesting reports. Next time you want to come into an argument by the way, spend the 15 minutes to google information to at least be prepared to know what you are talking about. If not, then please stay out of it and let the grown ups talk seriously.
These are from various sources and towns which provide added legitimacy. As you can tell from this forum as well as others that discuss synthetic marijuana, the reports in the following links correlate to what a large portion of users are reporting.
Also, these are only a few of the many articles available. If I was really adamant I would have spent more time researching more articles, but to whomever is reading and is curious enough about it, I urge you to take the time and research it yourself.
Arkansas – Some 20 people have been taken to hospital
http://www.cwarkansas.com/mostpopular/story/Synthetic-marijuana-banned-in-Springdale-health/mv-ty5mcOkKM4lZuj3q6KQ.cspx
JWH Blamed for death of teen in Iowa
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/96488784.html
Indiana teen suffers panic attack and commits suicide
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20100620/NEWS/6200352/Indianola-teen-s-tragic-death-blamed-on-incense
User reports hospitalization and continuing chest effects
http://forums.mycotopia.net/general-discussions/64913-so-last-night-i-smoked-some-spice-ended-up-hospital.html
Spice withdraws symptoms
http://www.choosehelp.com/news/german-doctors-say-spice-gold-legal-herbal-marijuana-substitute-is-addictive.html
6 Utah individuals taken to the hospital though not formally admitted
http://www.abc4.com/content/news/slc/story/6-people-taken-to-hosptial-after-using-spice/KA0npHSNHEGKQIivzARY9w.cspx
While most of these reports deal with severe anxiety and the consequences thereof, there is also potential for chest problems and possibly death. I wish I could find the article I read about a couple dutch teens that were found dead after using Spice but alas, I couldn’t. The articles I present here are just the tip of the iceberg. There are many more that speak of seizures and other complication after using synthetic cannabinoids.
Here is a thread that discusses possible JWH toxicity and perhaps carcinogenicity. But again, these new synthetic RCs have not been around long enough and with proper research funding to find out positively what their metabolites are and the impacts they could have.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=474536
On a final note, even if these synthetic compounds are in fact safe and do not metabolize into anything significantly toxic, you never know the purity that you get for sure when you buy them. Just because a website claims 99.8% purity doesn’t mean that it is always true. For all you know it could be some high school kid making this shit in his basement. This goes the same for the herbal blends that are sold.
One more thing OPENMIND, you are an idiot by saying that this is safer than 90% of FDA medicines. Have you done any scientific studies to back that up? Do you know what it takes to be approved by the FDA? Or just because you get high off it and you don’t have any negative effects, you believe that is enough research to basis your statements on? Please, learn to think before you speak. Your comments hurt my brain just by reading them.
http://www.drugs.com/fda-approval-process.html
Pain killers or not? All I know is the blend I tried most definately helped me with actual physical pain I was experiencing as well as with sleep and appetite. Cant say for certain if it enhanced my appetite or if it just simply allowed it to return in full force. I know it helps me rest and I seem to be eating a good bit more than usual. If you have not tried one of these blends while experiencing alot of pain I dont see how anyone can make an assesment that they dont contain pain killers? The blends I tried must contain something better than the normally accepted so called pain killers because those helped me very little if at all.
Thanks to everyone who has posted here. I don’t like some of the personal attacks etc. But afterall we are human and interaction that has been experienced in this thread is a healthy endeavor.
Miracle Medicine brings up a good subject: PAIN
Medical MJ in natural form or synthetics? How do we get this in front of the medical community to take a serious sincere look at the possible benefits?
I read a book about DMT by Dr. Rick Strassman. This man went to great measures to get permission to do his research on a scheduled substance.
Is the real subject of this thread actually about working with government and the powers that be to assist us in bringing new alternative medicines as a choice in society?
Mauigreendragon; he did not bring up the subject of “PAIN”; I did.
My point was that JWH does not kill pain. Miracle Medicine says it does help with pain.
He is quite mistaken.
Only marijuana kills pain.
Mauigreendragon; interest groups all over the country have been telling government about marijuana’s pain killing potential. This is why marijuana IS BETTER than jwh. end of story.
Concerned , wat side effects r u getting???
I dont know if it kills pain or whatever as Ben says? Seems a bit silly to suggest it helps with pain but does not kill pain? Not sure what the difference would be? All I do know is that I am no longer experiencing the pain I had? it helped me greatly not with just one symptom but quite noticeably with all three. insomnia / lack of restful sleep, no appetite, and some very noticeable pain. I am not saying marijuana would not work as well or better but marijuana is illegal where I live.
Shaggy, LMFAO! Like I said before..more “REEFER MADNESS” bullshit. Lame news “stories” One actually blaming a teen death on K2 but provides zero facts or details, name, circumstances ect. about this phantom victim or how the substance caused this supposed death. Another story blames K2 for some poor kids suicide when in fact the mother of this kids friend testified within the very same news story that the kid was known to have been threatening suicide for months. The other stories are more of the same baseless claims many conveniently coinciding within days of some politicians efforts to push legislation to ban the substances. Tell me Shaggy.. do you actually read the stuff you seem to beleive in so passionately or are you really that gullible? You seem to be totally against something that has never harmed you or anyone you know. You act like you are worried and talk about purity and such nonsense…Just wait until these substances are banned completely. The compounds will still be available alright but it will be gauranteed that that whatever is available will come from a filthy backroom source rather than a pristine lab. In case you did not know it the illegal drug dealers are already selling the stuff and will not be quitting just because it is banned by law. The price will just go up even higher and the illegal thug on the street paying zero taxes will make a killing while the responsible legitimate tax paying business on the same street will make zero. You run me down for beleiving it should remain legal? tell me why you are so bent on seeing it become illegal? The comments you made concerning FDA appoval of medicines is just plum stupid and pointless. I really dont give a damn how many years it takes a financially and politically motivated beuracratic government agency called the FDA to approve so called medicines most of which (about 90%) have histories of killing people. Ever hear of aspirin? It is a FDA approved over the counter medicine that has killed thousands of people. No, I have not done any scientific studies on the subject because frankly all those studies have already been done but not by the FDA. If in doubt there are plenty of legitimate news stories, documented autopsy reports, medical studies, data about deaths dangers and side affects of of prescribed medications to prove it. All 100% based on documented fact not conjecture. Do you know what coumadin is? It is probably one of the most prescribed medicines on the planet and is also approved by the FDA. It is another so called medicine that is known by the FDA (and every doctor who prescribes it) to cause death. Coumadin is also the main ingredient in rat poison.
Since news articles are apparently scare campaigns (aka Reefer Madness as you so love to call it) lets look at some hardcore data. Being as you are all about the facts maybe you will actually take this information into consideration.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90909
Under Cardiovascular…
jwh-018 …could have deleterious and possibly deadly effects on the cardiovascular system
At the highest tested laboratory dose (10mg/kg) some respiratory depression was shown, which resulted in some animal deaths [6][8]. The deaths were attributed to catatonia and respiratory depression, as no organ toxicity was detected.
Another source:
http://www.mindfully.org/JWH/JWH-018/JWH-018-Toxicity-Results.htm
The main observations from these studies was that JWH-018 caused a severe lethargic, unresponsive catatonic state at all doses tested from 0.1mg/kg to 10 mg/kg in the rats. At the upper drug concentration of 10mg/kg there was decreased breathing, and some animal deaths occurred. There is also the observation that only male rats died.It seemed the deaths were related to the catatonia and decreased breathing rather than organ toxicicity.
Male rats were observed to be significantly more sensitive to the effects of JWH-018 than females. Two out of the three male rats died during the high dose 5mg/kg PK study (equivalent HED is .8mg/kg or for a 68kg human a 54.4mg dose).
While 54mg is an extreme dose for a human, with some users reporting gaining tolerance and using higher and higher doses, there is a possibility of OD and death.
More news articles:
14 year old kid has a seizure
http://ncaa.biz/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2010/association-wide/new+drug+k2+stirs+concern_04_02_10_ncaa_news
Doctor reports 30 cases ranging from mild symptoms to tremors and seizures
http://www.slu.edu/x35328.xml
What I am trying to relay here is that there ARE negative effects that can occur from using JWH-018. If it doesn’t happen to you then all the better, but you should be cautious. If you think the info above is BS OPENMIND then I urge you to actually follow up with a reply that contains sources to back up your statements instead of just smack talk. So far your rebuttals have been nothing but crying out “Reefer Madness!” and irrelevant statements about other drugs that are harmful. I don’t care if other drugs kill people, we are talking about JWH so please stay on topic. Just because medications that we have today can be harmful doesn’t make JWH any safer.
Btw, I would rather the synthetic cannabinoids not become illegal since I too use them and would like to see them remain available for further testing. I would also like to hear of peoples experiences and especially the negative effects so I myself am aware of the possible dangers. You OPENMIND resemble a cigarette smoker who says that cigarettes are completely safe since you are still healthy. Then when other people get cancer you would cry BS! Conspiracy! It’s all fake!
Show me articles that give toxicology reports of JWH saying that it is harmless. Show me articles saying how JWH is completely harmless and nothing bad has every occurred using them. Then we might have a legitimate debate on whether or not it is completely safe. So far you have shown nothing but your own opinion which truly means nothing without supporting evidence.
I’d like to add that this stuffs legality is being threatened because of dipshits like Dee.
I’m 18 also. I spent HOURS UPON HOURS researching this before I decided to buy some. I looked at many different studies to see possible side effects and read hours and hours worth of reviews/experiences/trips – good and bad.
When I did get it, I started off very very small, and waited 10-15 mins.
Quit your whining, the only person you should be mad at is yourself. Besides, you can get panic attacks from weed also. Kids like you are the reason why my headshop no longer sells to people under 21, because so many dipshits don’t research what they’re doing and then OD and go LOLZ I DUNNO WUT HAPPENEND ITZ DANGEORUZ
With that said – this stuff is amazing. That is all.
Okay so I’m back.
I just got done reading through all these posts and WOW. Openminded is hilarious and Lee hit it right on the head for me.
Now, I’m going to speak briefly of my experience the good and the bad:
I have never smoked anything prior to smoking these blends. Never used drugs at all. Used to drink alcohol here and there but not really a fan.
I did extensive amounts of research on this as much as I could (for about a month or so prior to ordering it).
When I first started out with a blend, I was so cautious, I took mini pinches and put it in my vaporgenie, and then would wait for 5-10 minutes or so. Eventually, I’d say after about a month I experienced my first high that I could tell I was high (cause like weed the first few times you don’t get high, at least that’s how it was with me for JWH, have yet to try the real thing but will be soon hopefully.)
All of my highs have been pleasurable. Different blends do different things. Some of them make me horny as I don’t know what, others make me fall asleep after 30 or so minutes (which is amazing because I suffer from insomnia), others are extremely good for pain, (I had a surgery and didn’t want to take oxycontin or vicaden so I opted to toke toke it up and it does work GREAT!)
Some of the blends are what I would consider to be body highs or body stones. Where your whole body is tingling and you’re just completely aware of yourself, everything you touch and feel, down to every heart beat. Others are more of a head high, where I feel dizzy and can barely walk and my vision and hearing is distorted, (listening to music is AMAZING!!!)
Not only do you get hungry, but everything tastes 100x better. I eat things I wouldn’t normally eat sober, (like vegetables or other random crap).
Some days I’ll fall asleep and wake up feeling totally refreshed and rejuvenated, while other days I’ll wake up and feel pretty groggy. I don’t know why sometimes its either or, it could be a lot of factors.
My methods of ingesting have been as follows –
Tea – Didn’t do anything for me.
Ingesting it – It takes about 2-3 hours to kick in but once it does it sticks around for much longer than it would if you smoked it.
Vaporizer – Works great.
Regular smoking (aluminum can, apple pipe etc) – Works great.
My favorite is vaporizer of course.
Now for some negative things and a few not necessarily negative, but things that should be noted that I have experienced thus far:
1. Peeing is slightly harder. I think it may be because my time perception is completely off so it may seem like its taking me longer to pee when it in fact really is not. But my pee is cloudy. Dunno why. I also pee more often for some reason.
2. Unless someone is a rare case, I think that JWH is best taken in “spurts”, if you will. When I first got hooked, I smoked 7gs in about a week or so. Once I got off I noticed that I felt extremely depressed and just overwhelmed with boredom. I still did everything that I normally did but I just felt so disinterested and down. At first I thought it was just because I was disappointed that I was dry, but this is not the case. Second batch I got was 8gs and I smoked that up, same thing happened.
A good amount for me is 3-4gs a week. Usually I’ll only have one day of mild depression and then I’m back to normal. I think taking a break every so often (whichever amount of time you determine is best for you, if you even need it) is necessary for two reasons a) get your tolerance back down and b) you can avoid getting depression when you come off, which also leads to my next point..
3. After smoking a big amount 7-8gs, I also have SO much trouble sleeping. It’s pretty much out of the question for me. Insomnia is something I have but it’s not that severe normally. I can go to sleep if I’m tired enough, but when I come off of this, no matter how tired I am, it just takes forever to sleep.
However, like the depression, this side effect can be avoided if I just stick with 3-4gs every other week or so.
But I also know that this is something weed smokers have had as well. I was reading some experiences and they said that after smoking a lot of weed they’ll have trouble sleeping and feel more depressed, so it could be a cannibinoid thing, who knows??
4. I almost OD once because I had taken about a month or so break from it and ordered one of the rather strong blends. I wasn’t thinking and took what would be my regular dose for when I used regularly. I knew that I may be experiencing a bad high/panic attack so I lied down on my bed and told myself to fall asleep. I did, so when I woke up about 5 hours later, it was gone.
Those are all the negative side effects I have experienced, but like I said for me that can be avoided. I smoke about 6x a month (Two weekends), sometimes less, sometimes more.
I disagree with someone above who said these side effects may mean that JWH is physically addicting. If that’s the case, then I believe marijuana would be considered physically addicting as well (which it isn’t), because like I said, tons of other people were talking about how after chronic use, depression and insomnia were major issues.
Also like some of the issues some of you guys are having after having a panic attack, sound similar to the issues that chronic weed smokers were having after quitting. It seemed like everyone would get back to normal 6 months to 1 year.
I think Garret is losing his mind. Floaters are normal. I do get a ton more floaters when on JWH, but once I sober up, I still have the ones I’ve always had. You probably always had them, but just noticed them after having JWH.
I know that I get severe migraine attacks with a visual aura to warn me, and it terrifies and paranoys me so I’m SUPER aware of my vision now, so the slightest light or discoloration in my vision will bother me. You just have to try to let it go.
Also, to the people who have had bad experiences: To those of you who did your research and still had a bad experience, I sympathize but to those of you who were idiots and didn’t take the time to learn what you were ingesting, HAH!
I really don’t know WHY people would want to take a drug if they didn’t do any research on it. And I love how they try to get this stuff banned or scare people away from this because of their stupidity.
I think that if you have preexisting psychological conditions that you are aware of, and that may actually cause a serious fuck up when taking JWH or if you are on some seriously hard prescription meds, take a step back and do some serious research, if you can’t find anything, then do it little by little. I mean a MINI pinch and WAIT.
It seems that most of the people that have problems are on some medications or have some conditions.
I do not take any meds but I do have ADD and GAD, but for me when I smoke, it completely gets rid of my GAD. But again, who knows, I could have had a serious panic attack the first time around, but I went slooooowwlllyyyy.
Anyway that’s my bit. I’m sure this stuff will get banned though, thanks to the million horror stories out there. Media loves to promote that, I mean, positive accounts are not going to make front page news, it’s boring, and no one cares. Banning something gives otherwise purposeless people a temporary life meaning, until thats done and they have to go find another.
Happy toking guys oh and remember – THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN!!!!
JWH-018 Disolves in acetone(toxic not recommended) or ethanol (everclear must be 190 proof) one gram to a liter makes it 1mg per ml. must shake alot and a warm water bath helps to completely dissolve. put in freezer or may precipitate in room temperature, pour on a herb (damaina leaf, marshmellow leaf etc.) soak 45-65 grams of dried herb choice, wait for ethanol to evaporate and have a nice incence blend. NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION.
TeenageSWIM,
You say you have never tried any drug or smoked anything tiil RC’s ? Buth then you started out with a vaporizer and 7 G’s a week? WTF? You are full of it or you are a one in a million !
Oh Brother….
To Wow,
Acetone is toxic you are right… but it evaporates incredibly fast and leaves behind nothing (only if you are using pure acetone and not garbage like nail polish remover). So it is safe to dissolve jwh in it and spray onto your herbal mixture, just make sure it has all evaporated before smoking. So unless you want to spend more, and waste perfectly good ethanol, acetone works just fine for the job.
D3 –
Sorry I didn’t really explain my timeline very well.
What I meant was when I first started I went slow, I did maybe 1-2 gs a week? If that. I’ve been smoking JWH for over 6 months now, so that’s why. haha.
7-8gs in one week is the most. I was on break and had all day long to do nothing but smoke.
I spent some time researching osmosis and distillation for some home cooking with acceptable water. I came across this website below. It just seems to summarize alot of this long thread. Government versus the common man seeking his own quest for some truth. ?? Or is this just about getting high? LOL
Alchemy (source: http://fiachrabonesetter.com/Alchemy001.html
Alchemical work, the Magistry, takes place in three states:
1. Separation, through maceration or fermentation, breaking down the matter
2. Purification, through heat, distillation or calcinations
3. Cohobation, recombination, or the chymical wedding
These procedures are thought to separate the impure from the pure or the false from the true. Spagyric is the
application of Alchemical Magistry in the production of healing agents, medicaments, electuaries, cordials and waters.
The “chymical wedding” increases and releases the curative powers of the original matter.
So how do spagyric plant extracts differ from non-spagyric plant extracts?
Ordinary extracts, alcohol or glycerin tinctures, decoctions, teas, infusions and similar methods allow for the “simple”
essence to be extracted and are therefore known as “Simples.” When we employ the standard Alchemical Magistry
methods the matter is “opened” which liberates the stronger essences, essential oils, as well as the vital energy
locked in the plant. The common term describing what happens being synergy.
Modern chemical analysis of Alchemical spagyrics provide only an incomplete picture because of this synergistic
quality, where the whole is greater that the parts. The “chymcal wedding” produces a new material out of the original,
something clean from the unclean, something true from the false.
What is the secret? There are no secrets in the sense of tricks or occult (hidden) sleight of hand. The so called
Alchemical “secrets” consist of the true knowledge of natural law, and its application to the work.
Alchemy is neither magic nor chemistry and it is not a religion or a cult, although it may to an outsider look to contain
parts of each of these. As a medieval art and science it developed rules and dogma which many found mysterious
and exciting, a world away from their mundane lives, an escape. To the Church in Rome and its priests, clerics, and
monks it provided a method for exploration of natural law. To the Royal Courts and national governments it provided
the lure of “reason” and truth outside of the Church. To the common man it engendered the thought process and
discriminating evaluation of the so called “Natural Law.”
The conflict that arose between each faction was unavoidable and has clouded the general population’s opinion and
understanding of this science in a negative fashion. The medieval Church and State control of the populaces’
collective mind, opinion and thought process was threatened by Alchemy which encouraged questioning of the status-
quo, so had to be discredited and expunged.
Bollocks
i’d add “all about getting high” SAFELY ,peace ! bollocks for some .
You want safety? No problem.
Get in shape and do some 5K or 10K runs or possibly a marathon. Experience the runners high. The brain and body working in unison to get that “release” just like when a man or woman peaks and cums their brains out in sex.
Now that is safety.
Once you decide to ingest natural or synthetic substances “safety” can literally go right in the shitter.
Most users don’t take the time to research anything before “doping” their bloodstream. They don’t read thoroughly about SET and SETTING. They don’t even imagine that combinations of foods, alcohol, or other pharmas can affect the level of “safety” potentials.
Do I care when I read about someone has had a bad episode or “bad trip”? YES. But…
Let us get to the crux of what is really happening when someone straps in and goes on the rollercoaster.
Some individuals have the natural and decided desire to experience the ride and accept what precedes it, what happens during it, and what symptoms results from it.
Then you have those who fret before, fret during and then fret after because that is their norm.
So “safety” is a delusion and unrealistic baseline to even begin to identify what one should expect.
If you are going to get high have someone to hold your hand if that is your need. If you are a “space cowboy” psychonaut then don’t come back whimpering when you get something beyond your control.
Happy tripping and support one another. You know that no matter what is in this thread you will still ingest and search for the “shangrila” and “nirvana” that is mysterious but oh so rewarding, whether it be good or bad.
This sometimes mundane life drives us to disregard safety in exchange for the cheap thrill.
dragon , I’ve boxed and kickboxed most of my life , i know my body , i know my limitations . i’m also “experienced” .this thread for me has always been about possible uneven dosing of certain batches , i know how to control a bad trip ,i’m 42 and have tried most things over 25 years, so i’ve found some of these comments aimed at me and others patronizing . i research and try things very carefully , i balance the possible risks . i was caught out this time after just “2″ tokes , things went completely out of my control and it took my mind a long time to recover. i was so concerned i felt i should try and warn others , honestly , about possible uneven dosing in some batches . but some of the responses of people harping on about researching these chemicals properly and how the people having a bad reaction are whingers ,i find amazing , as we’re just giving information to help others in there ” research ” , sorry in this instance its negative , but hey ! i can give u a list as long as my arm of positives on other drugs if u like ! peace
hello, i live in oregon and i recently discovered this incense that gets you high when smoked so i did some research and discoverd that the main part that get you high is this JWH-018 i have now started making my own incense because it is much cheaper i buy 99.99% pure JWH-018 and some smoking herbs (lotus flowers, marshmallow, damiana, ect.) sometimes i also add a little flavoring and then i add JWH-018 at a ratio of 1:10 so for every gram of herbs .1 JWH-018 now i have built a litlle bit of a tolerance here and so this may be far to potent for you i think that a more suggesstable dose would be like .07 per gram but this is also dependant on how much you want to smoke i just take a couple hits at 1:10 and then wait a good 20 minutes before i decide if i want more. you may decide to disolve your JWH-018 in water i have even heard of adding a little acetone to help it dissolve but i would not recomend it (acetone is proven harmful) make sure you spray the mixture evenly to aviod “hotspots” (places of higher conentration of JWW) i am a lazy stoner tho so now i just sprinkle the JWH into the bag of herbs and shake this way i dont have to wait for it to dry but there are some hot spots. The first time i got the JWH-018 i smoked by itself of some foil i did smoke way to much (.025g) on accident and i did have some serious anxiety and everything looked like an oil painting i was even scared it would never go away but three hours later i was right as rain i can remember having similar reactions like this on pot when i was a kid. So i what i have to say about JWH is its a great chemical and as far as i can tell it has not had any more of an effect on my brain or body than the pot i also smoke every day which my doctor has said i should. so as long as i can get JWH-018 i will continue to use it as often as i like which for now is daily i guess i will find out what the long term effects are if any and i think that its great that this stuff is so readily available and i feel like people who have had expieriences like the post left by “your all so fuken wrong” should do a little more research before they jump head first into some thing and also i am not saying that any one should smoke this stuff just that i do and i am fine so far also also if you do decide to start playing with pure JWH-018 be very careful your not gonna overdose and die from it but you might do some things that you will regret so people have fun and be careful its people who are unresponsible with there drug use like “your all so fuken wrong” are the reason why drugs become illegal and i really want JWH-018 to stick around.
Hi everyone.. first off I am apologizing to “dave”. I don’t deliberately post comments here to single out one individual. I post so maybe someone could reflect and get food for thought. But I did enjoy your comments dave.
I am 58 and also spent time training in kickboxing, workouts at the gym, long open ocean swims, running miles on the beach etc. to keep prepared to enjoy the highs of my own choosing. I am definetly a thrill junkie. I also know my body very well. I spent over 50 years of my life learning to surf small waves and eventually pushed the limits of my mind and body by deliberately going out in huge Hawaiian surf as a lifestyle. Some people go as far as implying you are participating in a “deathwish”.
The human brain is a wonderful thing and there are many ways to release the natural drugs in us that always force us into a decision point between safety and fear. It can’t be helped as it is a natural physicological reality. For instance, base jumpers that throw themselves off very high places ignite this process and get rewarded with the natural flow of brain responses and brain and body highs.
When it comes to getting high we all go through the same procsesses trying to go a step beyond the norm of baseline and maybe even to a complete loss of any recognition of being aware of even being connected to our own bodies. Of course this is not for everyone, as the rewards of commitment can vary so widely among individuals.
As I have reviewed again, I find that it is always in the best interest of anyone to start small and then learn to find your own thresholds. For instance, I am amazed by race car drivers that do amazing things and push their limits. This activity of course was reached by starting small and working up to their abilities to handle the complex reactions that occur in their brains and bodies. And so it should be with getting high.
I have tried most natural and synthetic substances to experience going beyond my normal reality to reach the “non-ordinary” reality. Some I started off small. Others I took the leap and was rewarded. Sometimes with wonderful results and some with horrifying results. But I have been fortunate to return and reflect back to decide if I would continue or just stop. No whining or crying.
I am not going to make a list of the drugs I have used or the experiences of each one. But one thing I am going to admit is that I enjoy plunging into the “void” and enjoying the “thrill” of being alive. I believe this is what should be the main purpose of getting high.
So this is where I draw a line in the sand. If you are one that is having problems with a substance, STOP!. If you are using drugs to “escape” or are really a “schizo-paranoid” or have a history of depression, then think very hard if getting high is a good thing for you.
Peace and Happy Trails trippers.
a fellow waterman to , peace
JWH-018 for life…. your post is scary to read. Unless you smoke small bowls, I would recommend changing your ratio of jwh to herbs. I was able to make two ounces out of one gram of jwh-018:
1g/56g=0.018g jwh per gram of herbs
I formerly was a heavy stoner (morning, noon and night 24/7) until I got put on probation and the ratio I mentioned above worked perfectly for me. One bowl would be great for a good buzz, or a joint to really get ripped.
I don’t know if your supplier isn’t that great or what, but you shouldn’t have to smoke near what you claim to be to get a good buzz.
Also, don’t just sprinkle jwh into a bag, that is asking for trouble. Unless you sprinkle just a little bit for a single or perhaps a couple hits, anything more is dangerous. The risk for uneven doses is much higher than if you spray it onto a mixture. There is also the chance that some of it will settle on the bottom of the bag meaning you could load a bowl and get 10x the dose you thought you were getting.
Like I mentioned before, it is perfectly safe to dissolve it in acetone and spray onto a mix and let dry. Just don’t get impatient and try to smoke it when it is still damp. You don’t even need that much acetone to dissolve a gram either. 4ml should do the trick, which only takes a few minutes to evaporate. Just remember to keep it in a well ventilated area away from you when you do this.
open minded u are an asshole LSd doesnt have any physical side effects either yet it causes very real cases of paranoid schizophrenia. The doses of jwh 018 can vary widley especially since u can by it in such massive doses on the internet. On the other hand you are right in some respects. I have injested very large quantities of jwh 018 (75mgs +) and i have had serious panic attacks and had the belief that I was going to hell or that i was going to die. But if you have a little mental strenghth and go with the flowthe long term effects wear off in good time and u might even come out of the experience a stronger person, I know i have. But to call people pussies when u yourself have never experienced the other side of this drug is just fucked up. If u really cant find any other way to get it up than to prey on scared people who are confused about the effects of this drug, do it on another forum because im tired of reading your closeminded bull shit on this one.
oh and dave ur a chiller i hope u keep posting
Ok im in the navy and have been for about a year and a half and almost the whole time I have been smoking “spice” blends. You people that talk about having bad long term reactions ether smoke too much at once or maybe you just need to control yourself more. I used to be a heavy pot smoker and ive done just about every drug known to man, some I like and some I dont. Right before I joined the service I decided to try legal highs LSA, Kratom and ect. and finally when I did enlist I found spice. Now Ive never tried the pure JWH-018 but I do intend to soon. (but im also a chemist and have alot of chemistry background) So far ive used spice (serenity now, ocean breeze, K2, 420 express, natures organic, warrior, spice diamond and gold, tropical and arctic synergy, and thats just to name a few) for a little over a year and I think its great. You people that say it effects you mentally should know I have scored top in my class in my schooling (while smoking spice the whole time, in fact I would go to class high most of the time! (although I wouldn’t recommend that on test days) As with ALL DRUGS LEGAL AND ILLEGAL you need to be careful, know your limits and DO NOT test them! And if you start feeling any negative effects then STOP! Different people have different effects with this and all drugs so you need to be careful as spice may not be for you, and if it isnt STOP FUCKING OD’ING AND SHIT AND MAKING THE GOVERNMENT TRIP ON IT AND FUCK IT UP FOR ALL THE REST OF US WHO ACTUALLY KNOW HOW TO RESPONSIBLY USE DRUGS. You know if you drink too much alcohol then you will die of alchohol poising, hell if you eat too much caffeine you will have heart attack or heart failure, and as Katt Williams said “Aspirins perfectly legal but if you eat 40 of them motherfuckers it’ll be your last headache ever.”
Moral of the story, dont do any drug you dont know anything about and only do an amount you know you can handle, and if you dont know how much look up the recommended dosage and start below that.
sailor, have you come across Black Magic Smoke on your travels? If so, do you know what its constituents are? If anyone reading this has any knowledge/experience of this blend they feel like sharing then please do. I’m researching a set of articles about it and trying to pin down what it is exactly. Am I right in thinking that it’s a blend of herbs and JWH-018? Thanks
King Krypto. That is all you need to know. I just got back from Amsterdam smoking the best weed in the world, and this stuff is damn near just as good, and you can get it online for fairly cheap. Fuck all the chemistry set shit, just get the kind already mixed, I promise its very strong. (3-4 Hits makes me just space out, and i’m a pretty heavy smoker)
hello, someone said this about jwh73 :
Some added info on JWH-073 for those interested:
-It is mellower than JWH-018
-Not nearly as potent
-Smoking seems to be the best method
-Snorting is painful and burns
-Eating it is mild
-Seems to be closer to the effects of THC than JWH-018
-No reported cases of seizures (to my knowledge) like with JWH-018
-Doesn’t affect vision like JWH-018 can
-On a downside, it gave SWIM discomfort in his abdomen (mainly the kidney area, lower back, and intestine area). Along with that his urine was very very “frothy,” and in the morning after use, when blowing his nose he found his mucus was white compared to normally being clear. Not sure if these are just mild nuisances or something to be feared, but seeing as how it is a research chemical I would advise again frequent or long term use.
Anyone else have info on the different types of jwh and how they compare to one another.
I know a lot of us have been here for a while, but I was reading some old posts and you have to go back and read Post 193-196! LMAO!!! This is the greatest Forum Mr Administrator! Overwatch,gofastrlbrown@yahoo.com.
I work at a smoke shop that sells these blends, so naturally, I knew I would end up trying some of it. I ran out of crips last week, so I bought a bunch of spice to tide me over in the mean time. The brands I got were Greenies spearmint flavor and Wicked XXX unflavored. I got 3g of each and mixed them to make a 6g batch of fairly potent spearmint flavored spice. My normal routine is a full bowl of spice at the beginning of the night followed by half-bowl boosters every two hours or so until I go to bed. This is the same way I use cannabis, more or less, varying the amount depending on how much “creep” I notice the first time I smoke a bowl from a new batch.
Now, I’m 30 years old and have been smoking cannabis since I was in high school like it’s my medicine. I’ve tried pretty much every drug that was available to me and probably abused the “fun” ones more than most people would care to admit. I spent about 3 years taking ecstacy, the last year of which was spent using pure MDMA in conjunction with ketamine on a weekly basis. I’ve taken LSD from cheap blotters all the way up to geltabs, clinical microdots and window panes. I regularly take mushrooms when they are in season and I will hit the nitrous so long as it isn’t auto grade. I use salvia, although I did not enjoy the harsh onset/falloff from smoking extracts, so I usually chew quids of natural leaf and enjoy the mellower, longer-lasting effects of sub lingual salvia. The only drugs I have tried but never felt compelled to use regularly are PCP, coke, heroin, and meth. Typically, if I find something is too addicting I stop using it early after trying it, so I have never had any lasting dependencies on any drug I have used beyond cannabis and my stint with MDMA (which was more a social dependence than anything, once my “crew” broke up, so too did my addiction to MDMA).
Anyway, to the point… All was going well in my spice usage until tonight when I managed to make the mistake of dryhitting a pipe which had a bunch of residue from about a week worth of smoking spice built up on top of the screen. On came the surprising and unexpected OD-like trip about 2 minutes later. My heart rate began blazing along with my mind racing over all kinds of silly topics which I felt like I had very little control over. I got the same physical feeling I get when I drink too much alcohol or eat too many shrooms(the desire to sleep it off, but I’ll get nauseous if i lay down or close my eyes so I have to wait it out by sitting up with my eyes open and trying not to really look at anything to keep the nausea at bay).
At one point I wondered if I had maybe misplaced some salvia or something, because I thought the effects were just too intense to be from the spice. I had to treat myself like I was self-sitting just like when I used to solo trip on salvia quids. i.e. No leaving the house. No driving. Stay away from heights and dangerous activities, etc. The feeling was intense enough I was a little worried anyway. I eventually was able to lie down, pin my hands between my pillows under the weight of my head and sleep off the effects. I woke up about 3 hours later and other then feeling a little groggy I had no lasting negative effects. It took me by surprise, but more than anything it reminded me of eating too many shrooms minus the intense visual distortions. Lying down or closing my eyes during the first hour made me want to dry heave(much like eating too many shrooms will do to you). When that feeling subsided, a few minutes before I decided to try lying down again, I noticed closing my eyes did produce some strange kaleidoscopic fractals, although the visuals did not last more than a few seconds after I opened my eyes. If anything it was less like any bad trip I’ve had before and more like my heart rate/BP were just out of control and the physiological stress was weird’ing my mind out.
I believe that the JWH does not burn as easily or thoroughly as the herbs which it is blended with, so that dry hit I took managed to contain several doses worth of unburned JWH that had built up in the ashes/on the screen in my pipe over the past week of spice use. The pipe was brand new and clean a week ago, bought specifiacally to smoke spice out of, so I know nothing else has been smoked through it.
I would recommend exercising caution when smoking anything new like this. Although tonight will not stop me from smoking it, I have a feeling I will never be “scraping the resin” from my spice pipe or smoking excess amounts of it because I’m afraid it will just be way too potent and difficult to maintain a normal dose without having the “bad trip” feeling I had tonight happen to me again.
Sounds scary Smokey!
Thanks for sharing.
I use the vaporgenie and I usually clean it out every time I get a new batch of JWH in.
Smokey, That happened to me and it was a glass pipe with no screen. A friend of mine had smoked Salvia 60X prior. I have done Salvia and can handle the level 6-7 without losing it. I do have to meditate and prepare for it. Well, I loaded my dose of Damiana with 18 and 73 sprinkled on top, i would say 10mg. dose which is right for me. I smoked the bowl and this was totally different, sounds a lot like your experience. I thought it was leftover Salvia because I could taste that obvious taste of Salvia. I don’t think JWH and Salvia blend well. I bet you could have that experience again by mixing JWH and Salvia and smoke it and you would probably have that bad experience again. I’m so crazy researching these different compounds, I will probably do it and post results for you. Please do not think I am out to prove a difference in opinion, it just seems like the screen would have had to have had 50mg to do that! I did same thing you did, lay down. Of course, I do that with 18,73,81,250 if I overdo it. Only for 30 minutes max and I am good! Be cool, I’m Out!
Smokey! Holy fuck man!! That jus happend to me Friday the 31st. I’ve smoked LOTS of this “k2,spice,hayze” whatever the fuck i can find lol.
Friday. 3 Hits, maybe 4, I was at the point where i had to Force myself to keep breathing. My first 2 hits were resin from the shit my friend smoked a few hours before i went to his place. I actually did vomit twice. It was not a good high at all! i went from “sober” to “WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON?!”
So i jus sat in a chair for about 3hours until i felt comfortable tryin to sleep. I ended up passin out at 3am an wakin up at 7-8ish. other than Jello legs in the morning i was jus fine!
This shit is amazing but can be very scary. An i think Smokey is right. The herbs burn at a much faster rate than the chemical!!
Anybody have any other ideas of ingestion that is within 5 minutes. Vaporizing is the only other way I guess. I have noticed after smoking my pipe it will have sticky substance and today I thought I was done and you could here it boiling in the glass piece. I am a clean freak when it comes to pipes. I will sometimes clean after each use, that means I probably been washing some RC’s down the sink.
Cheers, Bama
Hi,
I am a manufacturer of these blends. I am sitting in front of 1400 grams of this now.
1. If you pay more than $5 per gram for herbal blends, you are getting FUCKED. It costs me $0.71 per gram to make.
2. It only takes 1g of JWH-018 to make 55 grams of it. I think serenity does 1g JWH to 65g Herbs.
(If you smoke the straight powder, you are retarded. It WILLL make you freak out)
I have friend who melts 1g of it in a spoon and puts it on 7g of herbs. I hit it once and got dizzy so yea dont smoke the chemical itself. Think about it; if you could get THC in a powder form and melt it down and smoke it, you WOULD have a FREAKOUT i promise.
I smoke about 4 grams per day. I am prescribed to Xanax because I have had anxiety/panic attacks for a long time (wayyyyy before i ever even knew what herbal blends were) and yet I have never had a seizure or panic attack on this stuff. I smoke a joint or two and WAIT to see how I will feel. This stuff take a few minutes and if you get impatient and smoke more and more to feel it yeah youll get STUPID. Weed is an insta-high… this stuff not so much.
Okay some people have had BADDD reactions to it..
DO you not watch TV and see all the Drug commercials “If you used *certain drug* and experienced *bad side effect* then call the law offices…” Okay I have taken a lot of these medicines and yet I have not caught the reactions. Knock on wood. So this stuff JUST AS ANYTHING ELSE is not for EVERYONE. So if youre willing to try it youre taking a risk of having a bad side effect just like any medicine you would take. So for you people saying, “DONT DO IT, YOULL FUCKING DIE” shut up and let people decide for themselves. There are ZEROOOOO known deaths from this stuff and it was more popular in Europe before it was in America so people have been smoking it for a while.
Oh and i have may e taken 2 or 3 xanax in the last year and i started smokin this stuff 10 months ago so it obviously has not induced panic attacks on me
Jeff, If you manufacture blends you have to understand now that you are one in about 20 million that do. You making some weak stuff. I prefer not to smoke 3 grams of herb, so I am one of those freaks you are talking about. I take my untreated herb and place 10 mg of Rc on top and smoke one bowl, game over. I have done enough of this stuff to mess up the Marines, never freaked out. I guess only freaks freak out. I would suggest a more open mind. Being a manufacturer of blends lets face it, it ain’t Rocket Science!
How long do spice b n your system?
Yes folks!!! I am a biased self serving asshole. LOL! Everybody cant be a sober, lily white, benevolent, people loving, christian do gooder like these politicians who care so much about you all. For those of you who just dont get it.. my posts are somewhat tongue in cheek intended to entertain to some degree at least. Simple point is anything can be harmful if you are a complete & total ignorant dumbass or mentally ill. I mean you can kill yourself drinking water if you are stupid enough. It is those people who proceed with ignorance and or BIASES of their own choosing on both sides who cause these problems and or perceived problems. For instance those who do no research at all & immediately go on the internet to purchase some jwh so they can make up a bunch of sorry low quality crap to try & sell on Ebay “cuz it’s alot cheaper” Amature teenage stoners or old idiots make it or buy it like that and think its just great because they beleive any kind of head buzz at all is a desireable high. They ultimately pass their bunk off to others even more clueless than they are! Such as poor ole Joe nerd (God bless em) who has never even been high at all in his entire life. Yes there are herbal blends out there that simply suck both homemade and commercial and these give the good that is made right a bad name just the same as those pussies (lol) who dont know how to use or handle the good stuff do. As I have said all along… if you are mentally biased/ ill, just plum stupid, or simply too ignorant to educate yourself fully and proceed cautiously then please dont mess with any of this stuff in any way shape or form and sure as hell dont go around promoting reefer madness at all for God sakes. BUT If you are one of the chosen few who actually have a clue then welcome my friends into the realms of enlightenment.
Sorry folks, I can see that some of you are tired of reading my posts and I am quite tired of having to single handedly respond to idiots who feel the need to try and insult me as well as all of society. However I must do so again in response to mr “KNOWLEGABLE” LOL. First off knowlegable you mispelled knowledgeable so apparently you are not very. Secondly I would like for you to please provide documented evidence to us all proving your claims that LSD causes paranoid schizophrenia? Directly in response to that claim here is some documented evidence which proves the TOTAL AND COMPLETE OPPOSITE to be true!!! Please type (http://www.neurodiversity.com/library_bender_1966a.html) into your browser and read all of it! Please at least try to EDUCATE yourself a little prior to publicly making such claims please. Like I said folks these fear mongering negative worms are relentless? Please tell me mr knowlegable exactly how it is that I am supposedly “preying” on the weak hearted? Good Lord man I am trying to help em out a little by in so many colorful words telling em to man up and get a grip on themselves rather than baby them cause that is really the core of what will help them regardless. Cause brother it is blatently obvious to me that these crybabies constantly posting all the supposed problems they have never thought to try that….Man up, I mean.
If anyone can take lots of pics of them making a blend, I’d happily write a “How To” article around it.
I took two hits of spice after three of my friends were takin hit after hit and it felt like i went to hell for hours. My heart was pounding and I felt as if I was dying because of my uncontrollable shaking and sweating. I couldn’t breathe at times and I was doing everything I could to keep from losing consciousness. I was so scared that I called 911 and was taken to the hospital. After about 8 hours of panic and trauma i was finally able to fall asleep. The doctor told me the spice had thrown my body into an intense panic attack and further tests have shown nerve damage to many parts of my body. I went through clinical depression and anxiety for months and even now, one year later, those two hits are still affecting my body. I am 6′ 3″, 21 year old male who was as healthy as can be. Now because of that one night i feel that it is ruining my life terribly and makes me think im going insane with all of the long term side effects, some i fear will never go away. If i can get even one person to avoid what has happened to me by staying away from this, I will be much happier, because i would not wish this on my worst enemy himself… thanks for reading
Paul, Would you be willing to send copies or post a link to the medical reports from your doctor that confirm your story claiming nerve damage ect. to be truth? If you will do so I swear I certainly will never go near the stuff. Plus I will back you up on your claims and confirm to everyone on this forum as well as many others that your story is indeed true. You can even blot out any pertinent personal information if you like though I dont think medical reports really include anything too personal in the report itself. Just think of all the people you can help by doing this. Once and for all the debate of whether this stuff is harmful or not will be over and done with for good. Just some proof is all I need to come to a final conclusion. Lots of people make these claims but I just have not seen the medical proof yet. Please help me and the rest of the world decide once and for all.
Hmmm, No response……I guess paul is not so concerned about helping his fellow man as he claims. Therefore I for one must also assume his other claims of horrible psychological problems and nerve damage to also be FALSE . Prove me wrong Paul.
Paul, Here is my opinion, I think you were about to have a nervous breakdown anyway due to your thought pattern, It may have made it happen a day or two earlier is all. Man Up my friend and put your head on straight!
I agree with Bama. His story sounds ridiculous. Sounds like you may have had a problem beforehand.
I honestly don’t understand why people are getting so many panic attacks and overdoses.
Clean out your pipes, guys, resin sticks in there, it will clump up and cause an unbalanced dose. Go slowly at a time, it seems like nobody wants to do this. Little mini pinches, guys.
All these idiots who are being rushed into the hospital are the reason why this stuff is going to be banned in my state this upcoming January.
Ugh for god sakes. When the morons mess up, they ruin it for the responsible. :\
this thread still going ! i smoked very little of this stuff and only a couple of tokes on the night in question but i spun out big time ! i was an experienced old stone head. i honestly think there’s uneven dosing or people are having bad reactions maybe even a sort of allergy, who knows .
what i will say is for those who think people like me are some sort of state sponsored scare monger , i think your a little paranoid . i bet the first person who had an allergic reaction to a flippin peanut had some problems convincing everyone to !! peace .
Are you ALL stupid? A. PURE, REAL, JWH-018… in RESPONSIBLE doses, (as far as I can tell) DOES NOT produce these negative effects. I HAVE experienced these effects. I experienced them the FIRST time I EVER TRIED any synthetic anything, I skipped the herb and went straight for the pure 018. Here’s the thing- While I believe I DID do too much and DID have EXTREME fear- beyaond the range of normal human response…the kind that can make you THINK you are getting nerve damage or experiencing brain death!!
(Take note- use caution if the following description applies to your jwh!)
BUT – THIS stuff was off-white, not quite as finely powdered as what I’ve had since. With a crystal sparkle that is eerie as the “plastic-like”, automobile fluids-ish taste. Wierd after taste.
THIS WAS NOT JWH-018- or it was POORLY SYNTHESIZED
I did a bit(eyballed it….don’t try it at home ADULTS!)…no effect what so ever…10 minutes later…still nothing, little more…15 minutes later…nothing….screw it(!)…double it up- (At this point it probably totalled 10-20 mg- I’d say less than 10…but I was eyballing so…)….
Immediately, not a minute after one toke, I felt a wave, not exactly pleasant, but interesting, then I got up and went outside.
About 5 minutes in or less ‘the fear’ kicked in, and ramped up in the next 5min. It was like my brain thought someone pushed me out of a plane without a ‘chute, but I knew I was okay and just had to ride it out.
I went inside(as soon as I stepped through the door my legs buckled briefly, then I stood up) and made my way to the activated charcoal I have(comes in handy in case of poisoning- absorbs all kinds of toxins/poisons). It’s interesting to note that I have it in no less than three places, but I could not remember where any of them were because I was so freaked out. Once I sat on my couch(the charcoal capsules and a bottle of water were visibly in reach) and downed big handfulls of charcoal capsules .
I did so knowing that may not stop the fear or whatever neurological damage it may have been causing but if there was a slight possibility it would help- it made me feel better- and helped me RE-AFFIRM that I would make it back to the living.
After about a half hour i started to come down.
Destroyed the substance(should have had it analysed), and then proceeded to find GOOD jwh- which I have found to be (again at ‘responsible’ doses) to be perfectly free of percieveable negative effects.
What does this mean?
A. JWH-018 is NOT causing hallucinations and in small doses no anxiety either
B.Whatever IS having these effects SHOULD BE BANNED, be it a contaminant, from a poor synthesis, a HALLUCINOGENIC RC such as 2-C-i, or a stimlulant RC such as MDPV, being added to these blends(possibly by mistake- vendors mis-labelling RC’s and selling to incense makers(?)) – ALL I KNOW IS if you had a bad reaction One of two things happened(maybe both)
1.You got some that was contaminated/poorly synthesized/ or a different research chemical entirely.
2. You did too much.
Of course there are if fact some NON cannabinoid compounds sold by some of these vendors right alongside the herbal incense blends. From what I understand such compounds would be much more likely to cause the affects some people describe. Anyone know exactly whats in these “bath salts” ? Cant these compounds be infused and smoked as well? Who’s to say that some of these blends do not contain something other than cannabinoids. From what I can grasp from reading about them those compounds can cause a very wide range of effects based on the individual. Just wondering if anyone knows what the active ingredients are?
Its the acetone thats used to disperse it and break it down thats screwing people up. No acetone= no problems. Know what your smoking
People,if you want to get blazed with jwh018,please smoke real cannabis instead.
It is simple risk vs reward,why put a large amount of manmade unknown into you?
Use a milligram scale [mg], or pinheads worth.. fill the space
of this letter: 0 : this is all thats required,wait 15 minutes to assess the effects,repeat 1 more time-but no more after that[for an 8hr period].
E.G: dont drink a 6pack in one shot just because you have it.
Do something else if you want to remain wasted!
Moderation is key here ,moderate- moderate.
Has anyone had repeated flashbacks or highs, even days after last smoking k2?
Admittedly, I am cold-turkeying all of my addictions (alcohol and k2,) but every time I lie down and close my eyes to go to sleep, I have flashbacks of flying high and all the craziness.
My daughter thinks it’s just my brain detoxing, but I was wondering if anyone else has had anything like this? I’m kinda getting sleep deprived!